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Warren Moore
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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 01:29 pm, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

just wondering if anyone has any feedback on the pedders extreme adjustable coilovers. for $1600 they seem resonably priced but not too sure on how well they perform against coils such as tein or jic.

http://www.pedders.com.au/products/52

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwvcjxJXAwo
Vinh Bui
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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 06:13 pm, by:  Vinh Bui (Hyudsjk) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You can get some Tein Super Streets for that price. The spring rates on the Super Streets may not be what you want though, so shop around. Can't say I've heard of Pedder's coilovers before.
Warren Moore
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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 06:17 pm, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Vinh, we would be talking used though wouldn't we? And what do you mean by the spring rates may not be what I want? Are Super Streets abnormally stiff or something?
Oleg Akulshin
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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 06:32 pm, by:  Oleg Akulshin (Sliqu3) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I had them in my v8 for probably 6 mounths, they are pretty good although if u lower them too much car will be boncy is hell, spring rates are good though. From what i heard from other people all japanese coilovers are better quality but spring rates are too stiff, even on softest setting it will be too stiff for city driving.
Scott Wilkes
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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 06:57 pm, by:  Scott Wilkes (Scottywilkes) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

HSD HR series coilovers, $1600 brand new, can choose your spring rate and you can order new springs of different rates for 100 if u buy from otomoto.

Awesome coilovers, awesome adjustablity, awesome price and did i say there awesome? :-)
Warren Moore
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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 07:01 pm, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hmmmmmmmmmmm
Ali Saeed
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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 07:17 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

are you a rep for HSD Scott :p
Scott Casey
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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 07:38 pm, by:  Scott Casey (V8soarer_1991) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

+1 for HSD HR Coilovers

dont go HSD TT version
Ben Lipman
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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 08:07 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tein Super streets (aussie spec) for three years (I think-4?) in the street car and I like them.

HSD HR in the track car for the past 18 months. Done loads of hard laps. Still going strong. They lack enough adjustability to be a real contender on a full blown race car, but there are no signs of failures that plagued many of the cheap end of the Coilover market.

Pedders: unknown quantity. 10 years ago I would have said they would not put their name to rubbish, but nowadays I am not too sure. Their brand is very much tainted by their franchisees of late.

Some one has to be the first to buy a set and use them. The reality is, as long as the spring rates are OK for your purpose, then they should 'feel' fine. The proof will be in the damping and the quality/longevitiy/reliability which will not become evident for several months, if at all.
Warren Moore
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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 10:23 pm, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

well im looking at the hsd hr's at the moment seeing as they are the same price as the pedders. will keep my eye open for a used set also
Vinh Bui
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Saturday, May 29, 2010 - 01:56 pm, by:  Vinh Bui (Hyudsjk) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Warren Moore wrote on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 06:17 pm:

Vinh, we would be talking used though wouldn't we? And what do you mean by the spring rates may not be what I want? Are Super Streets abnormally stiff or something?


Nope, I got mine from Japan for about $1400. Prices would be higher now with our crappy dollar though. Spring rates are 10 kg/mm Fronts, 6 kg/mm Rears which is relatively soft. You may want stiffer springs which is why I said it may not be what you want.

Oleg Akulshin wrote on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 06:32 pm:

From what i heard from other people all japanese coilovers are better quality but spring rates are too stiff, even on softest setting it will be too stiff for city driving.


Going from lowered springs to Tein Super Streets, I'd say the difference is not that noticeable. Sure, the coilovers are more stiff but it's not what I'd call unpleasant for city driving. And that's with my damping force adjustment settings set to max. It's all about the spring rates IMO.
Warren Moore
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Saturday, May 29, 2010 - 03:26 pm, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i think il just save up $1600 for the hsd hr coils from otomoto. the prices on otomoto are in AUD right? and how much is shipping to melb? not free is it?
Spencer Cameron
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Saturday, May 29, 2010 - 04:54 pm, by:  Spencer Cameron (Switchio) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The Pedders coilovers are yet another G4/D2/K-sport rebrand:

http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/30604/312077.html?1273835324

Go for the HSD's and is you have any questions about them give Otomoto a call, they've always been really helpful for me.
Ben Lipman
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Saturday, May 29, 2010 - 05:40 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You sure they are another D2 rebrand Spencer?
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Saturday, May 29, 2010 - 05:55 pm, by:  Spencer Cameron (Switchio) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, I did read it on these forums somewhere. But I was in pedder's the other day waiting for a wheel alignnment and they had one of those displays for the things. They look exactly the same as the g4's they used to have hanging from the wall at JustJap. The only difference seems to be the anodizing and the little symbol on top of the shock adjustment.

I mean, I could be wrong, but they're too similar for it to be a coincidence. Plus, the price would be about right for the G4's plus the pedder's brand premimum.
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Saturday, May 29, 2010 - 09:46 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ahh. I thought you had concrete knowledge of them being the same. I'd hate to taint an Aussie company with the D2 brush without proof.

I have a hard time differentiating one coilover from another in a picture. I personally think the HKS hyper dampers or whatever they are called look identical to the D2, but you never hear of people linking them.

I just went looking for the features I'd been recommended and bought what I bought.
Chris Ryan
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Saturday, May 29, 2010 - 10:30 pm, by:  Chris Ryan (Ryzan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What's wrong with the HSD TT's?
Scott Casey
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Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 10:12 am, by:  Scott Casey (V8soarer_1991) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Warren Moore wrote on Saturday, May 29, 2010 - 03:26 pm:




p&h is included in the price
Costa Tsimiklis
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Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 12:30 pm, by:  Costa Tsimiklis (Driftshop) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Definitely from Taiwan, but not from D2/Ksport - they use an alloy base with different springs and fittings/fasteners, unless they had their work subcontracted.
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Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 12:49 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

For these prices you should be able to put together a Bilstein setup with the springs and valves of your choice. Check out gixxer_drew.

If you are some kind of track super star you can even have remote reservoirs and multi way damping added for not too much more.

http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=446817
Warren Moore
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Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 02:09 pm, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Miles, you wouldn't live in Preston would you? There's a bloke around the corner from me who owns a white 97 soarer and a few corvettes.
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Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 02:13 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not me. I sold my Corvette a couple years ago. Soarer too.
Damian Ware
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Thursday, June 03, 2010 - 09:16 am, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am amazed given how good Bilstein's are that more people don't use them.

And they are very cost effective typically costing a little less than most of the cheap aftermarket coilovers.

The only thing they lack for a brilliant 1k suspension setup is adjustability which typically people don't use or stuff up anyway.
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Thursday, June 03, 2010 - 08:16 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Damian Ware wrote on Thursday, June 03, 2010 - 09:16 am:

I am amazed given how good Bilstein's are that more people don't use them.




I'd guess it is because most of us don't have the sort of money required to buy multiple sets of suspension to test and see what we like. The bilsteins might be bloody brilliant, but it is a thousand bucks I don't have to go and try them out.
Damian Ware
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Friday, June 04, 2010 - 08:44 am, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ben Lipman wrote on Thursday, June 03, 2010 - 08:16 pm:

I'd guess it is because most of us don't have the sort of money required to buy multiple sets of suspension to test and see what we like. The bilsteins might be bloody brilliant, but it is a thousand bucks I don't have to go and try them out.




In relation to your track car?

I was thinking interms of street cars. Besides whats to try Bilstein's are regarding as one of the best shock's in the world it is more of a case you cant go wrong with them.

If you can find a good set of adjustable coilovers for $1000 brand new then they might be the way to go but I haven't even seen anything reasonable for under $1600 and they will certainly not ride as well as Bilstein's, the cheap D2 G4 K-sport are about $1300 last time I checked and complete rubbish.
Damian Ware
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Friday, June 04, 2010 - 09:15 am, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I should add brand new supra Bilstein's are about $600 from toyota.

Second hand you can pick them up for half that and sometimes even less I have seen a few sets go on ebay for under $200.

They are easily rebuilt and second hand units might suit those better who wish to change the valving.
James Buchan
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Sunday, June 06, 2010 - 11:54 pm, by:  James Buchan (Jrbuch) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've got TRD bilsteins in mine. Though at some stage I want them re-built like Damian mentioned.

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