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David Duffell
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Friday, February 11, 2011 - 11:05 am, by:  David Duffell (Duffsta) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you Mike,

I am going to send them an email and see what they can do. Things are certainly not looking as bleak as they were a few weeks ago.
Mike Triggs
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Friday, February 11, 2011 - 12:34 pm, by:  Mike Triggs (Mikeandimah) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

David,
I put new shocks on our 3.0 n/a sometime in 2009, they are Boges (German brand but shocks made in Japan), they were $135 ea through Repco. I can't speak for prices now, but the dollar's much higher than it was then. You shouldn't pay any more than $200 ea for reasonable quality shocks (if not Boges, KYB are fine). My favourite is Koni but they don't seem to make them in a set for Soarer, and they're quite pricey (although probably not as much as Pedder's quote which are probably for crap Mexican- or Brazilian-made shocks anyway).

As others have suggested, take it to a Soarer specialist like Niall, and maybe track parts down beforehand, like bushes. Pedders have probably quoted you for urethane bushes, which are reasonably cheap (I bought a set through Repco, from memory under $200 for a complete set of front lowers (i.e. front and back). I was to have had them fitted with the shocks, but I was supplied the wrong set (because I misunderstood the website- ours is a late model car but it apparently takes early model bushes) so parts exchange took place after the mechanic was finished with car.

For the money Pedders are quoting you could get Vlamos bushes (which appear to be the best) and get someone to fit them. Anyone with a press and some intelligence should be able to manage replacing the bushes. I had Subaru ones done here in Cobar some years ago, although I'd have to say Soarer is rather more complex (double wishbone versus MacPherson strut).
Tim Ross
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Friday, February 11, 2011 - 12:36 pm, by:  Tim Ross (Retox) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

One cant help but think that with that kind of quotation, they didnt want to do the job at all.

Sometimes its easier to price yourself out of the market than it is to say 'no thanks'
David Duffell
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Friday, February 11, 2011 - 07:55 pm, by:  David Duffell (Duffsta) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok so I'm making pretty good progress in finding better part prices and I'm going to take it to Niall as soon as i get the chance. It could be the case they just didn't want to do it but I did get a quote from castle hill toyota directly and they are only $1000 cheaper for the parts side of things.

I will keep everyone up to date with information.

I will ask again though does anyone know here if the 91 tt suspension is the same as the 92 SC300 as that is what is being asked by some of the suppliers in america.
Mike Triggs
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Friday, February 11, 2011 - 09:17 pm, by:  Mike Triggs (Mikeandimah) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


David Duffell wrote on Friday, February 11, 2011 - 07:55 pm:

I will ask again though does anyone know here if the 91 tt suspension is the same as the 92 SC300 as that is what is being asked by some of the suppliers in america.




I would imagine they're the same, David, I doubt there's much difference between TT and n/a, but why get stuff from US when they're available here? Fulcrum suspension list Super-Pro bushes (I got my incorrect bush numbers from there, so be careful, but that was due to an assumption on my part since we have a 1997 model).

Unless you know the parts will be correct, it's a risk, due to high postage costs, in getting the right parts if the first lot are incorrect. I was able to swap my incorrect bushes through Repco, for the right ones, at no cost (except time:-)). Having said that, I got a '97 taillight from US, but then there are only 3 different lights for all Soarers (and SCs).
Chris Ryan
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NT
UZZ30

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Saturday, February 12, 2011 - 09:34 pm, by:  Chris Ryan (Ryzan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Part numbers below from ToyoDIY.com

48069 ARM SUB-ASSY, FRONT SUSPENSION, LOWER NO.1 LH
48069-29165 JZZ31, UZZ30, 31
48069-29145 JZZ30
48069-14080 JZA80

Not sure of the difference with the JZZ30, but the JZA80 lower control arm definitely fit in my UZZ30.

I got mine from USA because it was sh%#loads cheaper. Aus price for Lexus part about $1300 ea, Supra part about $680 ea. USA Lexus price about $650US and Supra price about $250US when I was looking.

Hope that helps a little.
David Duffell
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Saturday, February 12, 2011 - 10:53 pm, by:  David Duffell (Duffsta) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mike, I am looking at getting the major parts from the US because they are less than half price but i agree completely with you for anything minor. Anything other than the few main components I will be trying to source from Australia.

Chris, from what i am hearing the only difference between the JZZ30 and JZA80 lower control arms is the bushes are slightly stiffer on the JZA80 ones. When it comes to the difference between these two and the ones for the UZZ30 i can only think that there might be some additional bits to do with the air suspension. I will be getting the JZA80 arms for my JZZ30 from America as they are $269US each plus postage.
Mike Triggs
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Sunday, February 13, 2011 - 11:49 am, by:  Mike Triggs (Mikeandimah) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


David Duffell wrote on Saturday, February 12, 2011 - 10:53 pm:

Chris, from what i am hearing the only difference between the JZZ30 and JZA80 lower control arms is the bushes are slightly stiffer on the JZA80 ones. When it comes to the difference between these two and the ones for the UZZ30 i can only think that there might be some additional bits to do with the air suspension. I will be getting the JZA80 arms for my JZZ30 from America as they are $269US each plus postage.




David, I'm pretty sure UZZ30 is coil suspension. Air suspension on UZZ31/32.
Peter Nitschke
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Monday, February 14, 2011 - 01:27 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Correct-ish.

UZZ30 - coils
UZZ31 - airbags
UZZ32 - hydraulic

UZZ30 LCA are pretty much the same as eg TT etc.
UZZ31 is the same but with the addition of a lug for the height controller.
UZZ32 are different and not interchangeable.
David Duffell
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Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 10:02 pm, by:  David Duffell (Duffsta) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So Peter,

Are the LCA from the JZA80 suitable?
Peter Nitschke
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Friday, February 18, 2011 - 02:46 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Without putting it in writing, I would say yes.

:-)
Mike Triggs
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Friday, February 18, 2011 - 09:51 am, by:  Mike Triggs (Mikeandimah) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Peter Nitschke wrote on Monday, February 14, 2011 - 01:27 am:

UZZ32 - hydraulic




Peter, I'm no expert on Actives, but wouldn't the UZZ32's suspension be more correctly designated as oleo- or hydropneumatic? Strictly speaking, oleo- is more correct (Wiki entry uses the latter, but "hydro-" is water, "oleo" is oil).
Peter Nitschke
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Friday, February 18, 2011 - 10:15 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No water involved. No air involved.

The hydraulic oil is the active component used to adjust the pressure and height in each of the 4 suspension struts.

Nitrogen is used as a passive ingredient to smooth pressure changes and absorb shocks etc.

So really it's just an hydraulic strut on the end of a hydraulic pump with a small charge of nitrogen in the strut to make it feel smoother.

Pneumatic implies that the active component is either air or an inert gas - as it is in the UZZ31.

So, no hydro (water) and no pneumatic (air pump), ergo no "hydropneumatic". :-)

That said, arguing semantics could provide hours of amusement to those that are so inclined.

Most likely the Wiki author didn't like the industrial connotations of "hydraulic" so looked for a more fancy word instead, regardless of accuracy.

It's like saying "male enhancement procedures" instead of "dick enlargement". Or "moving forward" when used by a politician instead of "we are still circling the drain". Possibly a candidate for either wrote the article.
Dave Rose
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Friday, February 18, 2011 - 10:17 am, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Water brakes.....
Upload
Peter Nitschke
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Friday, February 18, 2011 - 10:19 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are you confusing hydro with hydraulic?
Dave Rose
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Friday, February 18, 2011 - 10:21 am, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

YES !
Peter Nitschke
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Friday, February 18, 2011 - 10:26 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mike Triggs
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Friday, February 18, 2011 - 12:17 pm, by:  Mike Triggs (Mikeandimah) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Peter Nitschke wrote on Friday, February 18, 2011 - 10:15 am:

Pneumatic implies that the active component is either air or an inert gas - as it is in the UZZ31.

So, no hydro (water) and no pneumatic (air pump), ergo no "hydropneumatic". :-)

That said, arguing semantics could provide hours of amusement to those that are so inclined.




As a small-time linguist, I have a leaning towards semantics:-) Obviously, no water is involved, I merely pointed out the Wiki author's term. I agree that if no air is involved, it cannot be an oleopneumatic system, although I'd make the point that nitrogen is an inert gas, in this usage (we use it to purge hydrogen from lines and tanks, and it's used in the food industry to replace air, which oxidises produce).

Anyway, it seems we're agreed- it's an hydraulic system
Allan Langford
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Friday, February 18, 2011 - 01:54 pm, by:  Allan Langford (Allan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

After being rudely shocked at the price of UZZ31 LCA's I'll be working on a bolt on bracket for the JZA80 LCA's that allows the factory level sensor to be re-attached...
Peter Nitschke
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Friday, February 18, 2011 - 03:00 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mike, good points, though you could then describe the UZZ31 system as pneumorubber as there are rubber components which contribute in a small way - eg control arm bushes.

Better yet, pneumorbbermetal as we need to include the casing of the struts, without which the air wouldn't be contained.

Better yet, pneumorubbermetalatmo as we need an atmosphere to provide the air for the system.

Better yet, pneumorubbermetalatmogravity as there is no return spring on the air struts, it needs gravity to return to rest position.

So yeah, I see the nitrogen as being a passive component, not really an active part of the suspension. :-)

And we agree, it's the same basic system that works the arm on a back-hoe.
Allan Langford
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Friday, February 18, 2011 - 03:07 pm, by:  Allan Langford (Allan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Peter Nitschke wrote on Friday, February 18, 2011 - 03:00 pm:

pneumorubbermetalatmogravity




Not real rubber so

pneumoelastomermetalatmogravity
Matthew Sharpe
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Monday, February 21, 2011 - 05:55 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Mike Triggs wrote on Friday, February 18, 2011 - 12:17 pm:

oleopneumatic




Sounds like some kind of suspension setup for Elephants. :-)
Tom Richards
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V8

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Monday, February 21, 2011 - 09:03 am, by:  Tom Richards (Tomr) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

allan, cut the lug off the old UZZ31 LCA and weld it onto the new LCA.
Allan Langford
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Monday, February 21, 2011 - 10:22 am, by:  Allan Langford (Allan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Tom Richards wrote on Monday, February 21, 2011 - 09:03 am:

allan, cut the lug off the old UZZ31 LCA and weld it onto the new LCA.




Do you realize how bad of an idea it is to weld a cast suspension component? on probably one of the highest stressed points of the whole LCA!
Matt Petersen
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Monday, February 21, 2011 - 11:25 am, by:  Matt Petersen (Mattmannz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You could probably fabricate a bolt on component to support the active lug.

Agree you don't want to be welding to a cast suspension arm if avoidable.

Matt

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