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Matthew Hamono
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Friday, August 05, 2011 - 10:30 am, by:  Matthew Hamono (1jz_kid) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hey all, as per title i've just converted my soarer to manual and I love it. Only problem is now with the 5 speed, my car tends to run out of puff at 130km/h! I do a fair bit of highway driving and when i'm in 5th at 110 the car is sitting at 3-3500rpm and as you can imagine its chewing through my petrol and not to mention loud...

I assume with the new gearbox that it is my diff that will need to be changed to correct my ratios and i'm in the market for an LSD, unfortunately i know nothing about them. Does anyone know what i should be looking for in a differential so i can somewhat restore my highway cruising abilities?
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Friday, August 05, 2011 - 01:27 pm, by:  Adrian McGuire (Adro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

its a catch 22. if you change the diff gearset for the high way gears then your initial takeoff will suffer.im not sure what the gear ratios are in the w58 but i have an r154 and i run the standard 4.08 tt gears set in the diff. at 80kmph im doing 2000 rmp in 5th gear.
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Friday, August 05, 2011 - 03:23 pm, by:  Matthew Hamono (1jz_kid) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm not terribly concerned about the takeoff, i can do other things to compensate that, but the high revving highway driving is a killer.

these are the ratios for the w58

First Gear: 3.285:1
Second Gear: 1.894:1
Third Gear: 1.275:1
Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
Fifth Gear: 0.783:1
Reverse: -3.768:1
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Friday, August 05, 2011 - 07:05 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

um i dont understand how this would be a problem? manual sc300's which have a w58 have a diff ratio of 4.08, which is the same as stock tt soarer..so according to my calculations there shouldnt be any difference at all?
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Friday, August 05, 2011 - 07:11 pm, by:  Adrian McGuire (Adro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Might be the v8 diff?
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Friday, August 05, 2011 - 07:34 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

if its a v8 diff the rpm should sit lower than stock
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Friday, August 05, 2011 - 08:21 pm, by:  Adrian McGuire (Adro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good point has to be the other way then. After market supra 4.11 gear set even 4.3's are available out of the states.
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Friday, August 05, 2011 - 08:24 pm, by:  Nathan Richardson (Richtheblack) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is the W58 out of a Supra/Soarer, or a Hilux?

From memory I'm out of third at about 170km/hr and that's not on the limiter.
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Friday, August 05, 2011 - 08:26 pm, by:  Matthew Hamono (1jz_kid) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the w58 is out of a jza80 supra, and it sits at 2,000rpm in 5th at 60, something is out of whack. The car was bog stock when i bought it, so as far as i know it should be an a02a open diff, which is what it says on the plate under the bonnet.
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Friday, August 05, 2011 - 08:28 pm, by:  Nathan Richardson (Richtheblack) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh and I have standard V8 diff ratio too.
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Friday, August 05, 2011 - 08:32 pm, by:  Matthew Hamono (1jz_kid) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

im confused, do i need the diff out of a v8 then? i figured if i got the diff from a manual jza80 supra that it would match the gearbox and fix the ratios, but im probably wrong.
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Friday, August 05, 2011 - 08:33 pm, by:  Nathan Richardson (Richtheblack) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Nathan Richardson wrote on Friday, August 05, 2011 - 08:24 pm:

Is the W58 out of a Supra/Soarer, or a Hilux?

From memory I'm out of third at about 170km/hr and that's not on the limiter.




Sorry, might not have come out right.

Is the box you have a W58?
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Friday, August 05, 2011 - 08:34 pm, by:  Adrian McGuire (Adro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Have u tested the actual speed agaist a gps speed? Maybe your speedo is way outa whack?
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Friday, August 05, 2011 - 08:39 pm, by:  Matthew Hamono (1jz_kid) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nathan, yes the box is a W58

Adrian, no i haven't tested it against a gps, but when im doing 60 its no faster or slower than the cars around me.

It feels like i need a 6th gear, cruising is horribly loud with my exhaust and it just chews petrol, like i said sitting at 3,000+rpm at 110km/h. With the auto and the same exhaust cruising was nice.
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Friday, August 05, 2011 - 08:45 pm, by:  Nathan Richardson (Richtheblack) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If your diff is the same, there shouldn't be that much difference!

I put a W58 in my UZZ32 with standard diff and yes 1st is short but I think I would hit the limiter in 5th well over 230km/hr. I could work it out but the difference between 3.9 and 4.11 is really 2/5th of f all overall.
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Friday, August 05, 2011 - 08:48 pm, by:  Adrian McGuire (Adro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Those ratios for the box, are u positive they are the actual ratio's ? Do u know the box's history? What did it come from?
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Friday, August 05, 2011 - 08:51 pm, by:  Matthew Hamono (1jz_kid) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

those ratios are just from wiki

no history, but it was in Costa's JZA80 supra before he got a new box for it.
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Friday, August 05, 2011 - 08:59 pm, by:  Adrian McGuire (Adro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

costa cars all have after market diff gears. i know he had some 4.3 gear set as i was trying to get info about were i could get a set of 4.3's from. i would email him and ask him what ratio diff he was running.
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Friday, August 05, 2011 - 09:02 pm, by:  Adrian McGuire (Adro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

actually, it shouldnt matter either way what diff you are running as unless the box has after market ratios it still shouldnt be out that much. email or ring costa and ask, im sure he will be able to explain whats going on
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Friday, August 05, 2011 - 09:09 pm, by:  Matthew Hamono (1jz_kid) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yeah i'll give him a quick email

thankyou guys! :-)
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Friday, August 05, 2011 - 09:42 pm, by:  Nathan Richardson (Richtheblack) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here if a vid of my V8 with a W58 conversion.

Go to 2:50.

Out of the car park I am in 2nd and back off at about 5000rpm in 4th well over 130km/hr.



You can see by the gear changes that the W58 is not that close ratio, although 1st is a bit useless as you can see from the vid.
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Friday, August 05, 2011 - 10:04 pm, by:  Matthew Hamono (1jz_kid) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hmm from that your car seems a lot better than mine, my first gear would run out at, at least half of what yours seems to...

if your cruising at 110, what is it like?
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Friday, August 05, 2011 - 10:34 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

well if the speedo isnt out of whack, you need a lower diff ratio. the v8 one wont help, you should be looking at getting something like 3.6
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Friday, August 05, 2011 - 11:06 pm, by:  Matthew Hamono (1jz_kid) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a feeling it may be, but only very slightly and thats what i was thinking, what sort of diff would i be looking at?

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