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Gary Morriss
TryHard
SA
2.5 TT Black on Black
Posts: 237
Reg: 07-2005
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Well i haven't seen a definitive answer to my question yet.
I'm not interested in hearsay, conjecture, guessing,
I'd like an Engineering reason why an Toyota Aristo 3.0V which has the same Double Wishbone Suspension (as our Soarers!),has as Standard, a Strut Brace?
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Peter Nitschke
JunkFilterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 2916
Reg: 11-2004
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Who says it is stock?
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Peter Nitschke
JunkFilterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 2917
Reg: 11-2004
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I just found the same brace on a Vertex edition = bling and performance mods.
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Robert Hayden
Moderator
Victoria
UZZ32, UZZ32 Supercharged, JZZ30 '92, JZZ30 '95, UCF11 Celsior 1990
Posts: 360
Reg: 07-2005
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Look at the length of those studs in the middle pic. Some bastard took it off! |
Don Bagnall
Moderator
New Zealand
1991 UZZ30 GT4.0 V8
Posts: 2017
Reg: 05-2005
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Robbing plicks!..........well spotted REH  |
Don Bagnall
Moderator
New Zealand
1991 UZZ30 GT4.0 V8
Posts: 2020
Reg: 05-2005
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Benjamin Burgess
TryHard
NSW
Toyota Soarer GT-TL
Posts: 167
Reg: 07-2005
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So that strut brace is factory? Only reason if it is factory would be to decrease body flex. |
Jeff Harper
Trader
NSW
UZZ32 Active V8
Posts: 781
Reg: 07-2005
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Possibly the Aristo need it because it's body is so badly built? |
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
ACT
Soarer GT-L (4.0 V8) Lexus is300 (3.0 VVT-i 6)
Posts: 1224
Reg: 07-2005
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It is a bigger car so, weaker for the same construction.
Pseudo-Disclaimer
This comment does not constitute foresworn comment because it is a comment on a car and not a comment on a thing which is not a natural part of a car and besides, someone else said it anyway.
Or, as Marlowe put it:
quote: [Priest] Thou hast committed...
[Barabbas] Fornication! But that was in another country.
Besides, the wench is dead.
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David Vaughan
Goo Roo
ACT
Soarer GT-L (4.0 V8) Lexus is300 (3.0 VVT-i 6)
Posts: 1225
Reg: 07-2005
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Err, time to get me coat. |
Miles Baker
TryHard
Vic
V8
Posts: 213
Reg: 08-2005
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I wouldn't say the Aristo would be much bigger than the Soarer, if at all? |
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
ACT
Soarer GT-L (4.0 V8) Lexus is300 (3.0 VVT-i 6)
Posts: 1230
Reg: 07-2005
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Apart from being taller, wider, on a longer wheelbase with a wider track and weighing nearly 2.2 tonnes, no, not at all. Not that it has a lot to do with it. |
Simon Triantafillou
TryHard
NSW
Soarer Turbo
Posts: 415
Reg: 07-2005
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Kerb weight of a GS300 is 1686kg... ~85kg more than a base model Soarer. Where did you get 2.2 tonnes from? |
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
ACT
Soarer GT-L (4.0 V8) Lexus is300 (3.0 VVT-i 6)
Posts: 1234
Reg: 07-2005
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GS430 Simon. It was the brochure I had to hand, after looking at them late last year. The weight put me off them more than a bit. 2160kg to be precise. |
Simon Triantafillou
TryHard
NSW
Soarer Turbo
Posts: 417
Reg: 07-2005
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GS430 kerb weight is 1695kg.
You're looking at GVM, which is when the car is fully loaded. Unfair to compare that to the weight of an empty Soarer don't you think? |
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
ACT
Soarer GT-L (4.0 V8) Lexus is300 (3.0 VVT-i 6)
Posts: 1238
Reg: 07-2005
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Very unfair. The irony is that I did not rely solely on glancing at the brochure but actually "confirmed" it on carsales where my eyes picked up the "2160" and moved off without checking what it was about. One way to make a mistake. Still, it may be heavier (although less dramatically) and bigger in all other dimensions but at least it manages to be shorter than the Soarer.
Incidentally, a GS430 loaded with fruit only 9kg heavier than the GS300? I think I would like to see that on the scales. |
Miles Baker
TryHard
Vic
V8
Posts: 214
Reg: 08-2005
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Why David? The 300 would have an iron block 2JZ, the 430 would have an alloy block 3UZ. |
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
ACT
Soarer GT-L (4.0 V8) Lexus is300 (3.0 VVT-i 6)
Posts: 1240
Reg: 07-2005
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The material Simon looked at said 1686kg but the one I since checked said 1620kg which seems more likely to me. Also, the GS300 does not use the 2JZ motor but a new all-alloy V6. |
Shom Bhattacharjee
TryHard
VIC
TT
Posts: 263
Reg: 07-2005
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The *Aristo* does use the 2JZ motor, in GE or GTE forms.
Your coat's getting an awful lot of use in this thread, David |
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
ACT
Soarer GT-L (4.0 V8) Lexus is300 (3.0 VVT-i 6)
Posts: 1241
Reg: 07-2005
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Both Aristo and GS300 have been referenced. The GS430 and later the GS300 of which I spoke are the current models available in Australia and specified on the www.lexus.com.au web site or carsales, drive and similar (for what else would I be clutching a brochure?). I presume the Aristo in Japan is the same give or take some extras. The Aristos on Amayama are the 143 and 160/161 models dating back to 2000 and earlier. These meet my general description that they are larger than the Soarer except, being older, they use older engines and come in with weights of 1610 and 1680kg and a narrower rear track.
Get your coat mate |
Shom Bhattacharjee
TryHard
VIC
TT
Posts: 264
Reg: 07-2005
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And the GS300s and GS430s referenced by yourself come with strut braces as standard ?
And you concur that the Aristos do use older engines (i.e. 2JZ) ?
It's a cool night out there - ripe for your coat |
Miles Baker
TryHard
Vic
V8
Posts: 215
Reg: 08-2005
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Yeah the newest new new GS300 has a V6, but we're talking about the body of the ones in the pics with the strut bars - ie the jzs161. Who cares about the new one, we don't have photos of it having a bar. So to speak. |
Gary Morriss
TryHard
SA
12.83sec 1/4 Mile 2.5 TT Black on Black
Posts: 242
Reg: 07-2005
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Keep it going boy's , this is good stuff. |
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
ACT
Soarer GT-L (4.0 V8) Lexus is300 (3.0 VVT-i 6)
Posts: 1242
Reg: 07-2005
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Jeff Harper wrote
quote:Possibly the Aristo need it because it's body is so badly built?
to which I responded
quote:It is a bigger car so, weaker for the same construction.
Is the Aristo not bigger? Other than me looking up the wrong weight item, what fact in the subsequent discussion of the GS300 and GS430 are you seeking to deny? 
Still, red herrings are highly appropriate. You could stretch a dried one between the strut towers. |
Miles Baker
TryHard
Vic
V8
Posts: 216
Reg: 08-2005
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Chill out man, I'm just saying if we are talking about the strut bar on the car in the photo, let's talk about the car in the photo. Not having a dig at ya. Just talking about the new GS body has little relevance on the matter at hand - the old GS body. |
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