Last x Days Posts  1 | 3 | 7 Days  Search  Topics  Tree View  Help
  Soarer Central * Suspension * Trouble with wheel alignment and tyre wear * Archive through July 13, 2014 Previous Previous    Next Next  

Author Message
Scott Vim
TryHard
Vic
Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)

Posts: 440
Reg: 12-2010

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Wednesday, November 28, 2012 - 08:41 pm, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey guys got a problem with the front passenger side too much camber. I have airbag suspension. All the other wheels are set perfectly but the passenger side maxed out is running about 2 degrees negative. Tried changing the bushes and still has the same problem. It adjusts fine so if I was to raise the car it would be fine. Just want lower then stock height without the camber. Any ideas why max adjustment is still too far in the negative?
Paul Drane
Goo Roo
QLD
V8 Limited

Posts: 1239
Reg: 07-2005

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, November 29, 2012 - 03:51 pm, by:  Paul Drane (Paulwd) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

maybe a toe in problem, not enough or too much.
Scott Vim
TryHard
Vic
Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)

Posts: 444
Reg: 12-2010

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, November 29, 2012 - 07:40 pm, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Looking at the wheel it is very obvious that its running too much negative camber. Maybe 2.5 degrees.
Scott Vim
DieHard
Vic
Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)

Posts: 869
Reg: 12-2010

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Friday, July 11, 2014 - 12:03 pm, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OK changed upper control arm because tyre shop said the ball joint looked bent but still -2.5 degree camber. I think what they saw was just a symptom of having the camber and not the cause.
Allan Langford
Goo Roo
Vic
UZZ31

Posts: 1225
Reg: 05-2010

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Friday, July 11, 2014 - 02:43 pm, by:  Allan Langford (Allan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quality photos with the wheels off? might be able to spot something
Scott Vim
DieHard
Vic
Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)

Posts: 870
Reg: 12-2010

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Friday, July 11, 2014 - 05:21 pm, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OK Allan. I'll get you the shots of the charger as well. But can't upload from my phone on soarer central.
Scott Vim
DieHard
Vic
Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)

Posts: 871
Reg: 12-2010

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Friday, July 11, 2014 - 06:22 pm, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'll get some more pics with the wheel off later I'll have to fix my comp on Sunday.
Tom Richards
Goo Roo
nsw
V8

Posts: 1877
Reg: 08-2005

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Friday, July 11, 2014 - 07:20 pm, by:  Tom Richards (Tomr) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

apart from the 2 control arms and a bent "chassis" what else can cause it??
Matt Newman
DieHard
QLD
soarer tt

Posts: 868
Reg: 11-2007

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Friday, July 11, 2014 - 07:32 pm, by:  Matt Newman (Soarersrock) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

whats the lower ball joint look like?
Tom Richards
Goo Roo
nsw
V8

Posts: 1878
Reg: 08-2005

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Friday, July 11, 2014 - 07:55 pm, by:  Tom Richards (Tomr) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

when the lower ball joint starts to fail, the steering will not self centre after you turn a corner, you have to pull it back with the steering wheel. A very strange feeling/.
Scott Vim
DieHard
Vic
Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)

Posts: 872
Reg: 12-2010

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Friday, July 11, 2014 - 08:03 pm, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The car drives and handles fine. Chews Tyres like popcorn though.
Scott Vim
DieHard
Vic
Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)

Posts: 874
Reg: 12-2010

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Friday, July 11, 2014 - 08:25 pm, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hope its not a bent chaises. That will really ruin my day.
Scott Vim
DieHard
Vic
Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)

Posts: 876
Reg: 12-2010

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Saturday, July 12, 2014 - 10:20 am, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Upload

This is the good side.
Scott Vim
DieHard
Vic
Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)

Posts: 877
Reg: 12-2010

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Saturday, July 12, 2014 - 10:21 am, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Upload


Good side as well
Scott Vim
DieHard
Vic
Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)

Posts: 878
Reg: 12-2010

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Saturday, July 12, 2014 - 10:22 am, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Upload

One more of the good side.
Scott Vim
DieHard
Vic
Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)

Posts: 879
Reg: 12-2010

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Saturday, July 12, 2014 - 10:42 am, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Upload

Upload

Bad side
Scott Vim
DieHard
Vic
Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)

Posts: 880
Reg: 12-2010

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Saturday, July 12, 2014 - 10:53 am, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Second opinion is the steering knuckle where the uca bolts onto is bent.
Ian Johnston
Goo Roo
South Australia
1995 UZZ31, BA XR6Turbo Ute. 2007 VE GTS.

Posts: 2028
Reg: 07-2005

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Saturday, July 12, 2014 - 06:05 pm, by:  Ian Johnston (Ted) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Has the car ever been in an accident? Maybe chassis bent in on that side.
Scott Vim
DieHard
Vic
Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)

Posts: 881
Reg: 12-2010

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Saturday, July 12, 2014 - 07:11 pm, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not to my knowledge. I've had the car for a few years. The last owner put a charger on it and speed limit remover (track days im guessing) so its possible. I think there would be some visible signs of such though.
Scott Vim
DieHard
Vic
Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)

Posts: 882
Reg: 12-2010

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Saturday, July 12, 2014 - 07:13 pm, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Could have smashed a gutter. But not since I've had it. This problem existed when I bought it I am assuming.
Ben Lipman
Goo Roo
SA
Soarer TT manual, plus TT track car, plus a spare shell

Posts: 3775
Reg: 04-2006

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Saturday, July 12, 2014 - 07:56 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Scott, are you looking to get rid of neg camber, or are you trying to get more camber?

If you are trying to get rid of neg camber I would check:

1.that all your bushes are good. If the LCA bushes are worn, the weight of the car will push the lower part of the hub out giving additional neg camber. It will also play havoc with toe settings which will chew tyres. Worn bushes on the UCA could allow the top of the hub to lean in also causing camber.

2. chassis suspension mounting points for any signs of damage or repair.

3. the hub/upright itself for any signs of damage or repair.

Due to the double wishbone design of the Soarer there are only the upper and lower control arms (wishbones) plus the tie rod that control the positioning of the wheel. Therefore either the upper or lower arm, or its mounts has to be the source of the problem. Hubs are extremely strong so it is unlikely that it has been bent.
Allan Langford
Goo Roo
Vic
UZZ31

Posts: 1228
Reg: 05-2010

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Saturday, July 12, 2014 - 08:36 pm, by:  Allan Langford (Allan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

can you get photos of the lower arm?

your shocker being stuffed is not going to help tire wear but as Ben said check all bushes and also check the wheel bearings for play
Scott Vim
DieHard
Vic
Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)

Posts: 883
Reg: 12-2010

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Saturday, July 12, 2014 - 09:12 pm, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

New airbags on fronts. New bushes in the LCA. Trying to get rid of camber. All 3 wheels running -0.3 camber but front left is maxed out on the camber ssettings and still is at -2.5 camber. Tyre bloke thought the actually mounting point on the wheel hub looked bent up which means that UCA brings the top of the arm in to bolt into it therefore bringing the top of wheel in (negative camber). Is this possible/likely?
Ben Lipman
Goo Roo
SA
Soarer TT manual, plus TT track car, plus a spare shell

Posts: 3777
Reg: 04-2006

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Sunday, July 13, 2014 - 08:13 am, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes it is possible. You will need to accurately measure the hub and compare to the other side to rule it out of confirm. Get some verniers, or be very careful with a steel rule and measure the distance from the top mount to the disc face, or back to the suspension pivot and compare to the other side.
Allan Langford
Goo Roo
Vic
UZZ31

Posts: 1229
Reg: 05-2010

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Sunday, July 13, 2014 - 09:01 am, by:  Allan Langford (Allan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What part of Melbourne are you in Scott?

  Administration Administration      Log Out Log Out Previous Previous      Next Next