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Benjamin Burgess
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Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 11:06 am, by:  Benjamin Burgess (Jampac) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok last night I ran into problems trying to stall on the converter when the power switch was on. Basically it would takes ages to stall up and wouldn't hold, and bog off the line. Found if I used economy mode it stalled as I would expect and quick off the line.

So other than the already known changing the suspension with tems fitted soarers, unlocking the converter on lite throttle, does it screw around with the engine timing? It seems like it pulled out a ton of timing when stalling or maybe it pulls up the line pressure in the box and completely screws up the converter.
Chris Davey
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Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 11:36 am, by:  Chris Davey (Chris_davey) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hmm, interesting question.

I thought that it enabled the auto to hold gears longer and most likely would have upped the line pressure for a harder shift.

You have got me thinking now. As I have the MV shift box I wonder if the auto thinks it is in power mode and that could be a factor with the low stall rpm.
Shane McInnes
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Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 07:22 pm, by:  Shane McInnes (Soarin_tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I noticed when my car was Auto. That driving around town the PWR mode held the gears out abit longer.

But when you put your foot down it didnt matter what mode it was in. If your foot was flat to the floor it would go to 7000rpm.

Least you worked out what launchs best. BTW Congrats on the 1/4Mile time.
Cihan Aday
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Friday, November 24, 2006 - 01:20 am, by:  Cihan Aday (Cihan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ben a definite difference or was it after a couple of runs?

It will stall higher as the trans temp increases, maybe this is the difference you're feeling?
Benjamin Burgess
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Friday, November 24, 2006 - 08:06 am, by:  Benjamin Burgess (Jampac) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This was straight away, and even on the second run. I had a big cool down period before using economy mode again which worked.
Daniel Clarke
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Friday, November 24, 2006 - 10:28 am, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Were you stalling it up differently? Like part throttle instead of full throttle?
Benjamin Burgess
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Friday, November 24, 2006 - 10:39 am, by:  Benjamin Burgess (Jampac) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Even on part throttle it struggled on the power switch. With economy I was stalling it up initially on close to full, then as it got close, would go back to like 1/2, 1/3 throttle. I stalled it up on economy back at the workshop, was hard on the brake and it got to 4000rpm and you could hear the turbo spooling, would have been like 12-15psi of boost. Would have loved to launch it on that if I had the grip.
Daniel Clarke
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Friday, November 24, 2006 - 11:17 am, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah mate. your 60 footers would drop into the 1.7's or even 1.6 with full traction and 15psi off the line. Definately into the 11's then. Although, if you wire up a switch for the lock up convertor, just in 3rd gear, you would gain 2-4mph and maybe 0.1-0.2 of a second also.

Im pretty sure Chris has his lockup switch activated?
Benjamin Burgess
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Friday, November 24, 2006 - 11:21 am, by:  Benjamin Burgess (Jampac) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yep I got a few things on the todo list for next time. Was good experience on wednesday. Last time I went to wsid with the standard stall converter I always used the power switch and its probably why I struggled that time. My best 60' that night was 2.4 and my trap was 113mph, so thats why I'm thinking I could do a higher trap. Maybe if I switch to power mode after getting thru first gear it might improve the trap speed?
Chris Davey
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Friday, November 24, 2006 - 12:53 pm, by:  Chris Davey (Chris_davey) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would give that a go.

Yes, I have a switch to control lockup. I haven't been game to use it at WOT though. Shane said that he had to get oversized clutches for lockup as when he pulled the box it showed signs of excessive heat. I know he is making a heap more power than me but I don't really want to risk it. When I get some money and get the box built properly, I will get the lockup clutch upsized at the same time and then use it.
Daniel Clarke
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Friday, November 24, 2006 - 12:57 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Or even Switch it to Power mode after your launched and halfway through 1st gear. That way you get some more rpm out of each gear:-)

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