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Brian Michaels
Newbie ontario cressida
Posts: 1 Reg: 02-2007
| hello, i've got a simple question that i'm sure has been asked a million times (in fact i know it has, but i'm still a little hazy on the answer). i'm one of the guys from the cressida crowd so i have the A340E tranny like some of your soarers. simple as this - what tranny fluid do you guys use? T-IV or dex3? something else maybe? reason i ask is that there is a bit of a long standing debate over at the cressida forums and no real answer. some say that dex 3 is bad for the A340E and T-IV is best to put in it. others, say the opposite. it was actually this page that lead me here: http://www.planetsoarer.com/autotrans/autotrans.htm thank you for any help, just trying to make a decision on what fluid to use before the snow melts. |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo North Island JZZ31
Posts: 2161 Reg: 10-2005
| General consensus on the A340E (UZZ3X) transmission has always been to use Type-IV and avoid Dex. 3. Other A340's seem to be quite happy on Dex. 3. |
Brian Michaels
Newbie ontario cressida
Posts: 2 Reg: 02-2007
| another goofball question - i heard somewhere that some of your soarers with the A340E were eventually revised with T-IV over the dex II. any truth to this or am i full of crap? |
Benjamin Burgess
Goo Roo NSW Toyota Soarer GT-TL, Toyota Corolla Conquest
Posts: 1071 Reg: 07-2005
| with no shift kit, type IV, with shift kit, dexron III. |
Graham Dollisson
Goo Roo QLD GTTL , Morris Marina, P76 V8 Super
Posts: 1147 Reg: 07-2005
| http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/31678/6654.html#POST8323 Scroll down to Neil Griffiths post and read..... |
Brian Michaels
Newbie ontario cressida
Posts: 3 Reg: 02-2007
| cool, thanks for the help guys. my only other question is out of the list provided (below) which ones use the A340E tranny? would the first one (V8 no shift kit) use the A340E? V8 No Shift Kit = Type IV V8 Shift Kit = Type IV or Dex 3 V8 Shift Kit & Stally = Dex 3 or Full Syn V8 Shift Kit & Stally doing Drags / Track Etc = Full Syn V8 Shift Kit & Stally & Blower = Full Syn TT is Dex 3 And Full Syn for Kit & Stally (As applied to the V8) ANY TT or V8 with a Stally should also run a Cooler. |
Benjamin Burgess
Goo Roo NSW Toyota Soarer GT-TL, Toyota Corolla Conquest
Posts: 1076 Reg: 07-2005
| as I said Brian, with no shift kit, type IV, with shift kit, dexron III. This is for TT and comes straight from the expert, Michael at MV autos. |
Graham Dollisson
Goo Roo QLD GTTL , Morris Marina, P76 V8 Super
Posts: 1148 Reg: 07-2005
| Brian, all Soarers use a340e's. I have a TT and run the recommended Dex3 and I have no troubles. I have used it for 4 years! As you can see above, Benjamin uses typeIV. He obviously has no trouble either. So I don't think there is much difference. |
Benjamin Burgess
Goo Roo NSW Toyota Soarer GT-TL, Toyota Corolla Conquest
Posts: 1083 Reg: 07-2005
| I use dexron III cause I run a shift kit. There was a fault in the a340e that toyota Type IV oil was suppose to fix, but when you do a shift kit they fix that fault so dexron III can be used. This is what Michael told me from MV autos. |
Graham Dollisson
Goo Roo QLD GTTL , Morris Marina, P76 V8 Super
Posts: 1149 Reg: 07-2005
| I see! It would be interesting to know what the problem is. If the shift kit fixes it, it must be pressure related. I should get a shift kit done for mine. |
Benjamin Burgess
Goo Roo NSW Toyota Soarer GT-TL, Toyota Corolla Conquest
Posts: 1085 Reg: 07-2005
| I suspect it would be pressure related, seeing as that is all it really does. |
Graham Dollisson
Goo Roo QLD GTTL , Morris Marina, P76 V8 Super
Posts: 1150 Reg: 07-2005
| Probably the first to second gear change. |
Brian Michaels
Newbie ontario cressida
Posts: 4 Reg: 02-2007
| wow you guys are a wealth of knowledge. thank you very much to everyone. i think this means i'm going with a few tins of T-IV come the spring;) |
Richard Baird
TryHard Perth, WA rubber band
Posts: 266 Reg: 07-2005
| Castrol Transmax Z is the best..... |
Anish Varsani
TryHard QLD V8 UZZ30
Posts: 488 Reg: 07-2005
| I'm not sure about the TT's, but the V8's have slip controlled lockup where the gears aren't given full pressure straight away. This is what gives the v8's the smooth gear changes. Before I got a shift kit, I couldn't even tell when the gears were changing when driving sedately. Aisin warner seems to be incorporating this into a lot of there new gearboxes. A lot of new family/luxary car manual say to refer to dealer on what type of ATF to use. You can also now get T-IV compatible fluid from a few oil manufacturers (mobil, castrol, caltex) now in 20L drums. |
Phil Gibson
DieHard WA '94 black/black UZZ31
Posts: 927 Reg: 07-2005
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Graham Dollisson wrote on Friday, February 23, 2007 - 04:53 pm:Brian, all Soarers use a340e's.
No they dont - A341e as well |
Graham Dollisson
Goo Roo QLD GTTL , Morris Marina, P76 V8 Super
Posts: 1151 Reg: 07-2005
| Well there you go! |
Don Bagnall
Moderator New Zealand I have WAY less Soarers than Hayden :-(
Posts: 5818 Reg: 05-2005
| V8 Soarers use A341E TT Soarers use A340E A341E has 4 solenoids, A340E has 3 V8 Soarer uses Toyota Type 4 fluid (Unless fitted with modified valve body, then dexron III can be used) . 6 Cyl. Soarers use Dexron III
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Doug Jardine
TryHard NSW '97 UZZ31 V8 4.0 GTL
Posts: 140 Reg: 04-2006
| Hi Don - my tame auto service guy reckons Dextron III is the go - my 1997 GT-L seems OK so far on Dextron III - are the later ones like mine fitted with modified valve bodies or is that a specific custom job? |
Neil Griffiths
Trader NSW 212Kw @ 8psi MANUAL Super Charged UZZ31
Posts: 3609 Reg: 07-2005
| Doug, If it states TIV ( type 4 ) on the dipstick, it MEANS use it.. If it was sposed to take Dex3, then it would state it. Its the additives in the oil that make the difference. Its like all the places putting Dex3 into EL onwards Ford trans, when it is sposed to take 95LE. And the Dex3 kills the trans |
Don Bagnall
Moderator New Zealand I have WAY less Soarers than Hayden :-(
Posts: 5819 Reg: 05-2005
| Hi Doug, Sorry don't know re the later models, but I assume they SHOULD be Type-IV as well. My local auto transmission specialist said the same about our 91 UZZ30. Namely that it'll be fine with Dexron III in it (which is what he'd put in it when he serviced it for the previous owner). However, the car always "Shuddered" slightly when the torque converter came out of lock-up under light throttle acceleration. As a result of reading on here and elsewhere that Type-IV was the CORRECT fluid to use for the A341E's, I had the local Toyota dealer do a flush with 12 liters of T-IV, and now there's no more shuddering, plus the trans feels perceptably smoother. So I suspect that there are a lot of trans specialists who think they're doing the right thing, when in reality they're doing the car and customer a disservice.
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Doug Jardine
TryHard NSW '97 UZZ31 V8 4.0 GTL
Posts: 141 Reg: 04-2006
| Neil & Don - I'll get this sorted ASAP - thanks for the advice - appreciated. |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo North Island JZZ31
Posts: 2176 Reg: 10-2005
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Doug Jardine
TryHard NSW '97 UZZ31 V8 4.0 GTL
Posts: 142 Reg: 04-2006
| Absolutely right Matt - to the Guru! Just one point to note for us Newbies - the dipstick did have me a bit foxed - "USE T II" - but I now understand it has been upgraded to T IV. |
Brian Michaels
Newbie ontario cressida
Posts: 5 Reg: 02-2007
| it'll be great to get to the bottom of this once and for all. |
Braden Murdoch
TryHard NSW Cressida 1JZ TT
Posts: 312 Reg: 04-2006
| I've always used Type IV in my A341LE Chaser trans, even with the shift kit. Runs fine. |
Brian Michaels
Tinkerer ontario cressida
Posts: 6 Reg: 02-2007
| doesn't help my A340E much... |
Shane Crichton
TryHard NSW Cressida Turbo
Posts: 122 Reg: 03-2006
| amazing, mike at MV has always told me use type 4 toyota fluid unless the gearbox has been rebulit with new clutches to run on dex 3 like mine has. |
Simon Triantafillou
Goo Roo NSW Soarer Turbo
Posts: 1078 Reg: 07-2005
| Standard TT auto that came in my car had Dex-II written on the dipstick. Spoke to Michael and he said to keep using it. Never used Type-IV in that box when I owned it, and never had any issues. |