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Brian Michaels
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ontario
cressida

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 - 02:54 am, by:  Brian Michaels (Zero_gravity) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hello,

i've got a simple question that i'm sure has been asked a million times (in fact i know it has, but i'm still a little hazy on the answer).

i'm one of the guys from the cressida crowd so i have the A340E tranny like some of your soarers.

simple as this - what tranny fluid do you guys use? T-IV or dex3? something else maybe?

reason i ask is that there is a bit of a long standing debate over at the cressida forums and no real answer. some say that dex 3 is bad for the A340E and T-IV is best to put in it. others, say the opposite.

it was actually this page that lead me here:
http://www.planetsoarer.com/autotrans/autotrans.htm

thank you for any help, just trying to make a decision on what fluid to use before the snow melts.
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 - 07:14 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

General consensus on the A340E (UZZ3X) transmission has always been to use Type-IV and avoid Dex. 3. Other A340's seem to be quite happy on Dex. 3.
Brian Michaels
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ontario
cressida

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 - 07:36 am, by:  Brian Michaels (Zero_gravity) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

another goofball question - i heard somewhere that some of your soarers with the A340E were eventually revised with T-IV over the dex II. any truth to this or am i full of crap?
Benjamin Burgess
Goo Roo
NSW
Toyota Soarer GT-TL, Toyota Corolla Conquest

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 - 08:02 am, by:  Benjamin Burgess (Jampac) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

with no shift kit, type IV, with shift kit, dexron III.
Graham Dollisson
Goo Roo
QLD
GTTL , Morris Marina, P76 V8 Super

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 - 05:40 pm, by:  Graham Dollisson (Alloyvee) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/31678/6654.html#POST8323
Scroll down to Neil Griffiths post and read.....
Brian Michaels
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ontario
cressida

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Friday, February 23, 2007 - 01:02 am, by:  Brian Michaels (Zero_gravity) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

cool, thanks for the help guys. my only other question is out of the list provided (below) which ones use the A340E tranny? would the first one (V8 no shift kit) use the A340E?

V8 No Shift Kit = Type IV
V8 Shift Kit = Type IV or Dex 3
V8 Shift Kit & Stally = Dex 3 or Full Syn
V8 Shift Kit & Stally doing Drags / Track Etc = Full Syn
V8 Shift Kit & Stally & Blower = Full Syn

TT is Dex 3
And Full Syn for Kit & Stally (As applied to the V8)

ANY TT or V8 with a Stally should also run a Cooler.
Benjamin Burgess
Goo Roo
NSW
Toyota Soarer GT-TL, Toyota Corolla Conquest

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Friday, February 23, 2007 - 09:07 am, by:  Benjamin Burgess (Jampac) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

as I said Brian,

with no shift kit, type IV, with shift kit, dexron III.

This is for TT and comes straight from the expert, Michael at MV autos.
Graham Dollisson
Goo Roo
QLD
GTTL , Morris Marina, P76 V8 Super

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Friday, February 23, 2007 - 04:53 pm, by:  Graham Dollisson (Alloyvee) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Brian, all Soarers use a340e's. I have a TT and run the recommended Dex3 and I have no troubles. I have used it for 4 years! As you can see above, Benjamin uses typeIV. He obviously has no trouble either. So I don't think there is much difference.
Benjamin Burgess
Goo Roo
NSW
Toyota Soarer GT-TL, Toyota Corolla Conquest

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Friday, February 23, 2007 - 05:23 pm, by:  Benjamin Burgess (Jampac) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I use dexron III cause I run a shift kit. There was a fault in the a340e that toyota Type IV oil was suppose to fix, but when you do a shift kit they fix that fault so dexron III can be used. This is what Michael told me from MV autos.
Graham Dollisson
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QLD
GTTL , Morris Marina, P76 V8 Super

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Friday, February 23, 2007 - 07:13 pm, by:  Graham Dollisson (Alloyvee) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I see! It would be interesting to know what the problem is. If the shift kit fixes it, it must be pressure related. I should get a shift kit done for mine.
Benjamin Burgess
Goo Roo
NSW
Toyota Soarer GT-TL, Toyota Corolla Conquest

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Friday, February 23, 2007 - 08:03 pm, by:  Benjamin Burgess (Jampac) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I suspect it would be pressure related, seeing as that is all it really does.
Graham Dollisson
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GTTL , Morris Marina, P76 V8 Super

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Friday, February 23, 2007 - 08:35 pm, by:  Graham Dollisson (Alloyvee) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Probably the first to second gear change.
Brian Michaels
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ontario
cressida

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Friday, February 23, 2007 - 11:41 pm, by:  Brian Michaels (Zero_gravity) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

wow you guys are a wealth of knowledge. thank you very much to everyone. i think this means i'm going with a few tins of T-IV come the spring;)
Richard Baird
TryHard
Perth, WA
rubber band

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Friday, February 23, 2007 - 11:52 pm, by:  Richard Baird (Richo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Castrol Transmax Z is the best.....
Anish Varsani
TryHard
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V8 UZZ30

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Saturday, February 24, 2007 - 11:40 am, by:  Anish Varsani (Yomama) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm not sure about the TT's, but the V8's have slip controlled lockup where the gears aren't given full pressure straight away. This is what gives the v8's the smooth gear changes. Before I got a shift kit, I couldn't even tell when the gears were changing when driving sedately.

Aisin warner seems to be incorporating this into a lot of there new gearboxes. A lot of new family/luxary car manual say to refer to dealer on what type of ATF to use. You can also now get T-IV compatible fluid from a few oil manufacturers (mobil, castrol, caltex) now in 20L drums.
Phil Gibson
DieHard
WA
'94 black/black UZZ31

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Saturday, February 24, 2007 - 04:39 pm, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Graham Dollisson wrote on Friday, February 23, 2007 - 04:53 pm:

Brian, all Soarers use a340e's.




No they dont - A341e as well
Graham Dollisson
Goo Roo
QLD
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Saturday, February 24, 2007 - 06:10 pm, by:  Graham Dollisson (Alloyvee) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well there you go!
Don Bagnall
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New Zealand
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Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 11:44 am, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

V8 Soarers use A341E
TT Soarers use A340E

A341E has 4 solenoids, A340E has 3

V8 Soarer uses Toyota Type 4 fluid (Unless fitted with modified valve body, then dexron III can be used) .

6 Cyl. Soarers use Dexron III

Doug Jardine
TryHard
NSW
'97 UZZ31 V8 4.0 GTL

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Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 12:26 pm, by:  Doug Jardine (Drj) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Don - my tame auto service guy reckons Dextron III is the go - my 1997 GT-L seems OK so far on Dextron III - are the later ones like mine fitted with modified valve bodies or is that a specific custom job?
Neil Griffiths
Trader
NSW
212Kw @ 8psi MANUAL Super Charged UZZ31 :-)

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Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 02:30 pm, by:  Neil Griffiths (Aussiesc) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Doug,
If it states TIV ( type 4 ) on the dipstick, it MEANS use it..
If it was sposed to take Dex3, then it would state it.

Its the additives in the oil that make the difference.

Its like all the places putting Dex3 into EL onwards Ford trans, when it is sposed to take 95LE. And the Dex3 kills the trans :-)
Don Bagnall
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Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 02:52 pm, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Doug, Sorry don't know re the later models, but I assume they SHOULD be Type-IV as well.

My local auto transmission specialist said the same about our 91 UZZ30.
Namely that it'll be fine with Dexron III in it (which is what he'd put in it when he serviced it for the previous owner).
However, the car always "Shuddered" slightly when the torque converter came out of lock-up under light throttle acceleration.
As a result of reading on here and elsewhere that Type-IV was the CORRECT fluid to use for the A341E's, I had the local Toyota dealer do a flush with 12 liters of T-IV, and now there's no more shuddering, plus the trans feels perceptably smoother.

So I suspect that there are a lot of trans specialists who think they're doing the right thing, when in reality they're doing the car and customer a disservice.

Doug Jardine
TryHard
NSW
'97 UZZ31 V8 4.0 GTL

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Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 03:23 pm, by:  Doug Jardine (Drj) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Neil & Don - I'll get this sorted ASAP - thanks for the advice - appreciated.
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31

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Monday, February 26, 2007 - 06:40 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Doug Jardine
TryHard
NSW
'97 UZZ31 V8 4.0 GTL

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Monday, February 26, 2007 - 07:14 am, by:  Doug Jardine (Drj) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Absolutely right Matt - to the Guru!

Just one point to note for us Newbies - the dipstick did have me a bit foxed - "USE T II" - but I now understand it has been upgraded to T IV.
Brian Michaels
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ontario
cressida

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Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 12:08 am, by:  Brian Michaels (Zero_gravity) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

it'll be great to get to the bottom of this once and for all.
Braden Murdoch
TryHard
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Cressida 1JZ TT

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Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 02:43 pm, by:  Braden Murdoch (Ribfeast) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've always used Type IV in my A341LE Chaser trans, even with the shift kit. Runs fine.
Brian Michaels
Tinkerer
ontario
cressida

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Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 11:06 pm, by:  Brian Michaels (Zero_gravity) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

doesn't help my A340E much...
Shane Crichton
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NSW
Cressida Turbo

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 09:49 am, by:  Shane Crichton (1jz747) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

amazing, mike at MV has always told me use type 4 toyota fluid unless the gearbox has been rebulit with new clutches to run on dex 3 like mine has.
Simon Triantafillou
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer Turbo

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 11:12 am, by:  Simon Triantafillou (Soarer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Standard TT auto that came in my car had Dex-II written on the dipstick. Spoke to Michael and he said to keep using it. Never used Type-IV in that box when I owned it, and never had any issues.

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