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Alemco Don
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Friday, February 01, 2008 - 03:45 pm, by:  Alemco Don (Alemcodon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i have an sc400 1991 jap import. limited to 110mph. i got a few questions bout the transmission. i cant remember all the models numbers etc but anyone who knows anything will know wot im talking bout.

First of all, im sure ive read the ls400 has same transmission, but my ls400 would cruise at 90-100mph at bout 3000rpm, whereas my soarer does 60mph at 3000rpm. at 100-110mph the revs are almost full.

this is very uneconimcal. i dnt really want the 110mph limit off but i want the revs to be lower nearer to that speed. would i have to change the gear box?

wot about , i mean what about replacing the jap gearbox with uk or us gearbox? cus theres no way the jap gearbox can get to 150mph so im sure the ratios must be diffrent? if the ratios are diffrent can i change bits of my gearobx to change the rato with uk/us box or would i have replace the whole tranmission?

basically i just want my car to cruise at low revs like my ls400's used to, cus the soarer drills fuel on long journies - and it shouldnt have to.

anyone who knows about lexus tranmission please be bothered to answer me questions. thank you.
Peter Nitschke
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Friday, February 01, 2008 - 03:53 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Alemco.

"wot" = Wide Open Throttle
"what" is probably the word you are looking for.

Sounds like you have overdrive off.
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Friday, February 01, 2008 - 03:59 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Also, unless someone has already changed the gearbox or diff, the Jap version is the UK version as all UK Soarers are Jap imports.

3rd gear at full revs would be around 200kph = 125mph.

With overdrive, full revs would be a theoretical 280kph = 175mph.
Blake Gloyn
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Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 07:01 am, by:  Blake Gloyn (Blakenz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

dude you almost definitely are not in 4th gear(aka overdrive gear)
Alemco Don
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Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 05:08 pm, by:  Alemco Don (Alemcodon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i been driving autos all my life (almost), it does be in overdrive and at 3000rpm its just about 60-65mph. at 110mph its almost redlining. definately in fourth gear.

i never driven a uk or us spec but im sure people say 150mph limited. theres no way mine would get to that speed unless i get it up to 15561.345rpm (rough estimate).

any more bright ideas from anyone (no offence guys)
Alemco Don
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Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 05:11 pm, by:  Alemco Don (Alemcodon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

oh yeah and mr peter, i did correct my wot with what if you look two words after. haha.

and i had my soarer for about 5 yrs before anyone says overdrive is off.

wot bout LS box? is it supposed to be the same?
Luke Burt
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Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 07:33 pm, by:  Luke Burt (Burt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mate the point is, there is something wrong..
Unless you have an insanely high diff ratio.
David Vaughan
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Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 08:16 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Your gear ratio in 4th (i.e. 'D' Overdrive) should give less then 2500 RPM at 110Km/h, or about 2300 RPM at 60 MPH.

These cars are limited to 180Km/H by the factory ECU, at which speed they should be using 4000 RPM.

The figures you quote are completely consistent with being in 3rd gear, which would use about 5700 RPM to achieve 180 Km/H, or 110 MPH and 3200 RPM for 105Km/H (60-65 MPH)

Assuming you have not driven your Soarer for five years with overdrive off, someone has inserted a radical diff ratio from heaven knows where, or your overdrive switch or mechanism has failed in a manner with which I am unfamiliar.
Peter Nitschke
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Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 09:33 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is the O/D light in the dash lit up?
Dave Rose
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Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 11:03 pm, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Alemco..no lock up happening ?????but anyway you can count the gears as they go in ...and welcome i used to live in Sheldon before coming to Oz
Alemco Don
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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 08:26 am, by:  Alemco Don (Alemcodon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Like i says fellow soarer drivers, i had my soarer for 5 yrs, i drive is it as an everyday car, im more than familiar with how an autobox works, i am also a self procalimed professional race driver.

The overdrive switch does work, the o/d light works, wen i take o/d off the gear kicks down, i can feel every gear change, it's definately in fourth.

I drove my mates TT which went up to about 80mph in 2nd gear (and it still had another 500rpm before red line), whereas my 4ltr reaches 60mph max in 2nd gear.

im also 100% certain the gearbox aint slipping or anything cus i be ripping bently coupes, porsche carrera's, aston martins, m3's, you name it i ripped it (except a carrera GT) - the only car that ever ate me.
David Vaughan
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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 08:40 am, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We have given you adequate technical information about the characteristics of the normal car. Where is your mechanic?

If you have been driving this car for five years, when did it start behaving this way? If recently, what changed? If for five years, why are you asking now?

I no longer believe any of this. You will need to provide far more comprehensive information about your car and its history if I (speaking only for myself) am to take you seriously.
David Vaughan
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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 09:30 am, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I found no Alemco Don in the UK White Pages for Birmingham.

Which of the Dons are you, Al?
Gareth Richards
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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 10:57 am, by:  Gareth Richards (Garethr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Alemco Don wrote on Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 08:26 am:

I'm also 100% certain the gearbox isn't slipping or anything because I am ripping Bentley Coupes, Porsche Carreras, Aston Martins, M3s. You name it, I ripped it (except a Carrera GT - the only car that ever ate me).


I suppose it's possible that a V8 Soarer could out-accelerate those cars if it had a diff with such a low ratio that it was doing 3,000 rpm at 60 mph......


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David Vaughan
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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 04:10 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We know nothing about the car. Are the tyres stock width? They would spin crazily with enough torque through them to match those cars. Even so, I very much doubt a 33% shorter diff ratio would be enough to put a stock V8 on a par with them, with any tyres.

If it is a heavily modified V8, perhaps with super- or turbo-charging and wide rear tyres, then he should see the people who worked on it over the last five years rather than presenting it as if it were a standard question on a stock car. If it is indeed a stock car, even with a 33% shorter diff ratio, then the claims are absurd.

I see the Birmingham gent is not on TIF either, or at least under that name. A five-year Soarer owner would usually appear on their local forum first.
Dave Rose
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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 09:35 pm, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dave hmmmmmm i think you may be right...has he put up with it for 5 years????
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Monday, February 04, 2008 - 07:20 am, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am not trying to be rude to the Al. I would just like it all to make some sense first.
Phil Stuart
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Monday, February 04, 2008 - 11:39 am, by:  Phil Stuart (Ericdog) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maybe his speedo is grossly out? I realised that my speedo was out by 5 to 7km/h at 100km/h when I ran a properly calibrated KR10 radar unit in it.

The other thing I notice is that "Al" seems to have disappeared!

Mind you, it does sound like he's still in 3rd gear, and his repeated comments don't make a great deal of sense.

I'm with David, as far as needing more info, did it just start happening, why ask now after 5 years.

Isn't the hole in the ozone layer above the area where "Al" lives? Maybe the O3 is effecting the O2 sensor in his car, causing erratic revving!!
Jason Underwood
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Monday, February 04, 2008 - 01:07 pm, by:  Jason Underwood (Jay666) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

David, what does your V8 with the W58 gearbox rev at in 5th when doing 100km/h?
My set up, which is very similar to yours ( not sure which diff your have) is very close to 3000rpm at 100km/h in fifth.
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Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 06:48 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Since I fitted [Edit: Super-Neil fitted] the manual my gear ratios have changed in mysterious ways. At 3000 RPM I am doing an indicated 111Km/h which by GPS (averaged) works out to 120 Km/H. From that I calculate I must be doing 2500 RPM at 100 Km/H. I am not sure I recall ever driving at 100 Km/H, except on the way, as it were :-)

Essentially, my actual speed is 8% greater than shown on the speedo, which is great for my passengers, from my point of view

Post Script: so far as I know I have an original V8 diff ratio. My car's speedo was normal before the manual changeover.
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Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 07:56 pm, by:  Jan Christiansson (Janoc) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mine revs 2600 at 100kmh and 2800 at 110kmh. I have R154 and TT diff.
When I'm driving at 100kmh the car using 9L/100k's at 110 is 9.7L/100k's.
I will put up average consumption at average speed when back home.
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Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 11:05 am, by:  Jason Underwood (Jay666) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah David, my speedo is around 8-9% out. I went through the speed detectors here a few times and it seems that when the speedo says 100 it reads 109 on the detector.
I didn't even realise it was out until i was pulled over for speeding.
Cheers for the info fellas.
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3000RPM at 120kph for me. 1JZ with Chaser auto (same ratios as A341E V8 soarer box). 3.9 diff ratio.
I think he's puffin muffins if he thinks he can beat Astons etc in a stock 1UZ powered car.
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Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 03:19 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

I think he's puffin muffins...


Not heard that one before. I might re-use it some time :-)
Alemco Don
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Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 07:32 am, by:  Alemco Don (Alemcodon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

gents i havent dissapeared just been away for a week. the reason your speedo shows less speed is cus you got bigger alloys or tyres. your speedo is set on revs so bigger tyres would give you more ground per revolution etc etc. work it out its not hard.

and why you tryna hunt me down on uk white pages? its yellow pages here and they only have businesses. you'll have to check the the BT book.

Even then you wont find it cus Alemco Don is not my real name, its Aleem Sarwar, alemco my nickname. Don is my occupation, hence Alemco Don. i dnt suppose its illegal using nicknames is it? just realised everyones got proper names here as opposed to other websites.

And i have had my soarer for 5 years but its been off road for the last year, been cruising my 300zx in that time, now thats i mean fobbed im bringing my soarer back out (my fav car of all time).

the only mod ive done on my soarer is pull the traction control fuse out - which does make a reasonable diffrence, wheels are slightly bigger than standard. and i did blow all them cars - mainly cus of my superior driving skills racing line round the bends etc etc all these rich people in fancy cars aint got clue how to drive. someone should give me their money or one of their cars.
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Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 07:51 am, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

the reason your speedo shows less speed is cus you got bigger alloys or tyres


No, not in our case. I explained it fully on TIF recently. The reason Jason and I have speedos under-reading by 8-9% is owing to the 5-speed manual gearbox. Jan has a different manual and diff ratio but with similar effect.

What size are your wheels and tyres? "Slightly bigger" is not very informative and would produce the opposite effect of the one you say you have.
Thanks to my superior riding skills, I recently blew off a Ferrari Enzo on a bicycle, and I even did it in my sleep.

What you are saying is not that you beat those cars but that they were driving more slowly at the time. There is a difference.
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Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 08:02 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Aleem, we do request the use of real names. Fixed, thanks.

My Soarers have correct overall wheel diameter, regardless of which wheels I use, 15", 16", 17" or 18" - as do most Soarers on here.

If your wheel theory was the reason for your incorrect readings, then you must have really small wheels or be running on flat or no tyres.

Keep in mind you are talking about more than 50% difference, eg at 3,000 RPM, one car gets 60mph and the other gets 90-100mph. Or 1/3 difference if you go the other way.

You could prove your point to us, by swapping the wheels between your two cars and confirming that they now behave the exact opposite to what they were before.

Basic maths. Circumference = Pi x Diameter

So for the SC-400 to have 2/3 the circumference of the LS-400, then the diameter would be 2/3 the size of the LS-400.

That's going to be a very small wheel.

Overall diameter of a Soarer wheel/tyre is about 63cm, so you would be down to about 42cm which is - strangely enough, the size of a 15" V8 Soarer rim with NO tyres (I just measured some).

Happy driving! :-)
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Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 01:25 pm, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In any case, there are three possibilities here:

1) His overdrive is foobared and he is ignoring our advise to get it sorted
2) His car is significantly modified, but he won't tell us about it
3) He is full of

Case 1,2 and 3 to me all result in the same treatment - he's wasting our time so we should ignore him.
Aleem Sarwar
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Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 02:06 am, by:  Aleem Sarwar (Alemcodon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

first of all mr sharpe no need to get personal.
secdonly i was talking bout underwoods wheel size - showing a diffrent speedo reading - but i missed out he was the one with a manual box, diffrent gearbox can also have an affect on speedo reading but if your box is standard bigger wheels can have an affect on your speedo reading.

as peter pointed out pi x diameter = circumferance. for each revolution a bigger wheel would cover more ground. so if the car thinks 3000rpm is 70mph for example on a 16inch stock rim, then with a 17inch rim would cover 6.25% more ground (1/16*100). therefore youd be going 6.25% faster than what the car thinks.

people think bigger rims are heavy thats why you lose accelration. you really think a few kg's makes that much diffrence to a car that weighs '000's of kgs? in effect you have a longer ratio therefore lose acceleration.

i cant check my exact wheel size since im about 100miles from my car, but its 17's on the back and 16's on the front. i know the back wheels are 255/55.

anwyay like i says before i can count four gears, my o/d is 1000% working fine

and mr vaughan even my own friends never belive me what cars i blow until their sitting with me. i used to drive 80,000miles a year on average, for about 8 yrs, thats more driving experiance than most in a lifetime. i know uk roads like the back of my hand, i even know where the all the bumps and ditches are within a 100mile radius from my home. i got all gold times in gran turismo even a fraction of a second too late acclerating out a bend and a weaker car would have you.

anyway forget bout that shiznits, good news. last week i was away back in brum i painted my soarer, brand new gleaming white pearl - i got my own bodyshop. i got no pics of my soarer yet but i show you my ZX so you could see quality of my paintwork, this was a colour change from black - unfortunately that was old days these days colour changes are out the question. so my soarer had to stay white. fixed my idling problem (since i got flooded), changed the glass (since some chachi prik decided it would fun to smash it), got a new emv screen too witha working backlight. just needs a service, mot tax and its on road, i know ervyones cursing me for whatever reason but at least be happy for me i got my baby back.type in 'lexy missin' on you tube you'll see my soarer blowing my mates scooby turbo (which was souped up considerably). forgive his bad taste in music.

anyways boys ill be gone a few days back to brum to service my soarer. when my soarer is on road you'll probably never hear from me again. haha. thats why i was never on any local forums.

hope you like my zx, thats my second baby, two cars ill never sell.

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