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Ian Rigby
Tinkerer
NSW
AE102, JZZ30

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Reg: 11-2010

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Saturday, February 26, 2011 - 10:04 am, by:  Ian Rigby (Hiro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So I was driving to work this morning and come to the realisation that the clutch in the Soarer seems to be on the way out.....normal around-town gearchanges are fine, but if you punt it in gear it'll flare like an auto, especially when you're hitting or in boost. Worse too if it is part throttle, as you can get it to flare a good 2-3000rpm (combined with a lovely smell), whereas full throttle gives you enough power through to the wheels for them to catch up to the revs and stop the slipping.

Anyone got recommendations for a good street-suitable girl-suitable (it is the missus's car afterall) clutch for a 1JZ/R154 that can handle 250-300odd kw? As far as I can tell it is still running the factory clutch, something a little heavier wouldn't be a problem (it is lighter than the factory clutch in the AE102, somehow), but don't want to splurge on a twin-plate or anything exotic if possible.
Tai Johnsen
DieHard
QLD
JZZ30 Pov Manual LSD & black!

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Saturday, February 26, 2011 - 11:37 am, by:  Tai Johnsen (Privatejohnsen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ian,

I asked the same thing a few weeks back and got this response...

http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/51875/335632.html?1296688211

Now I am just waiting for the bank balance to look a bit better before I purchase one..
Ian Rigby
Tinkerer
NSW
AE102, JZZ30

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Saturday, February 26, 2011 - 06:54 pm, by:  Ian Rigby (Hiro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah I've come across the Exedy kit, wondering how much extra it'd be with the lightened flywheel too......what I go for will probably depend on how much my bonus is that I get next week.
Tai Johnsen
DieHard
QLD
JZZ30 Pov Manual LSD & black!

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Saturday, February 26, 2011 - 07:31 pm, by:  Tai Johnsen (Privatejohnsen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Let me know how you go..
Paul Mainey
TryHard
NSW
Twin Turbo V8

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Saturday, February 26, 2011 - 09:57 pm, by:  Paul Mainey (Gttv8) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I got a custom clutch from KB Clutch for my 1uz using the R154. It uses the standard 1jz pressure plate modified for 1600KG clamping pressure and a 6 puck clutch. I can't remember the exact price but it was around the $500 mark. It is an easy clutch to use and with the standard hydraulic setup it's still light on the left leg.

Clutches aren't that expensive until you start buying name brands and multiplates. I also have a twin plate tilton that i'm going to try out at some stage.
Antonio Hunt
TryHard
NSW
TT

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Sunday, February 27, 2011 - 10:20 am, by:  Antonio Hunt (Carajo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hi guys,
just received my cushion button clutch from NPC, $856 + postage

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Tai Johnsen
DieHard
QLD
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Sunday, February 27, 2011 - 09:09 pm, by:  Tai Johnsen (Privatejohnsen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Keep us informed how it goes Antonio, i was leaning towards NPC and that price seems pretty good (i can pickup)

Paul, did they do the whole job, or did you just drop it off?

It's hard to decide whether to mod the original or go for brand new.....

Any pics of your turbo setup Paul? I do miss the old V8 sometimes... :-)
Antonio Hunt
TryHard
NSW
TT

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Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 06:53 pm, by:  Antonio Hunt (Carajo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

update, clutch fitted. Very soft on the leg and easy engagement, just have to wait to bed it in before i give it a boot. Apparently the HD organic clutch i previously had in there still has plenty of grip, so if anybody wants a cheaper option i will be putting it under the for sale section
Tai Johnsen
DieHard
QLD
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Thursday, March 03, 2011 - 05:30 pm, by:  Tai Johnsen (Privatejohnsen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for that Antonio..

I'm a bit of a clutch n00b, can you tell me what the difference is between a Heavy duty organic and a cushioned button clutch is?

Why did you choose NPC seeing as though you are in NSW?
Antonio Hunt
TryHard
NSW
TT

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Thursday, March 03, 2011 - 07:17 pm, by:  Antonio Hunt (Carajo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

HD Organic is similar to a stock clutch with a bit more bite and easy engagement. A cushion button is made with ceramic material and has more bite similar to a button clutch but is not as harsh on the engagement.
If you look over the website it gives a better description of the products
http://www.npcperformance.com.au/index.html
I went with NPC as the price was good in comparison to everywhere else i got a quote from and they have made some clutches for some big HP drag cars and street cars with no complaints, also postage was only $35
Paul Mainey
TryHard
NSW
Twin Turbo V8

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Friday, March 04, 2011 - 04:46 pm, by:  Paul Mainey (Gttv8) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tai,

I dropped my original pressure plate at KB clutch and he did the rest using a flywheel sent from dellow and one of his clutches.

There are only a couple of leaked photos of the turbo setup in clayton's build thread. Trying to keep it under wraps till it's close to being finished. The turbo 6's aren't bad. I've been driving a 97 vvti around for the last 6 months.

At Antonio said, a HD organic clutch is exactly the same as the factory clutch arrangement (full face clutch disc) with generally a slightly higher clamping force.

A cushioned ceramic clutch would be the next most common clutch is basically the same as a standard clutch or a puck design with a ceramic and sometimes ceramic/metallic friction compound which has better heat and friction characteristics, especially under higher clamping forces. The cushioned term refers to the springs located in the centre of the clutch disc which helps eliminate chatter. This is why you will hear multiplate clutches chattering away when not engaged.
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder

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Reg: 03-2006

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Friday, March 04, 2011 - 07:32 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just remember , In a manual car , the clutch is designed to be the weakest link , ie , it wears out faster as its easier to replace and better than breaking stuffs .

Go to hardcore a clutch and you will start breaking tailshafts and diffs , as others have done so when upgraded .

Always go with a cushioned centre specially on a street ride .
Antonio Hunt
TryHard
NSW
TT

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Friday, March 04, 2011 - 07:53 pm, by:  Antonio Hunt (Carajo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Stock
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HD organic
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Cushion button
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Button/puck with sprung centre
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Button/puck solid centre
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Tai Johnsen
DieHard
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Saturday, March 05, 2011 - 11:56 am, by:  Tai Johnsen (Privatejohnsen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for the info and pics guys :-)

I think HD organic will suit my needs..
Tai Johnsen
DieHard
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Saturday, March 05, 2011 - 05:54 pm, by:  Tai Johnsen (Privatejohnsen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Or should i future-proof and go the cushion button clutch

Ceramic
The cushioning between the ceramic linings allows this style of clutch to have good engagement feel while providing the benefits associated with ceramic material. NPC recommends the cushioned button clutch kit to daily driven high performance road cars.

HD Organic
This style of clutch is ideal for 4 x 4 enthusiasts, tow vehicles, commercial vehicles and modified road cars used everyday with occasional strip use.
Antonio Hunt
TryHard
NSW
TT

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Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 06:50 pm, by:  Antonio Hunt (Carajo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tai, the HD Organic is good for at least ~250rwkw maybe a bit more but anything closer to 300 is probably pushing it
Tai Johnsen
DieHard
QLD
JZZ30 Pov Manual LSD & black!

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Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 11:43 am, by:  Tai Johnsen (Privatejohnsen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Antonio, I will be aiming for 250rwkw or slightly above, so it sounds like I will be better off with the Ceramic for longevity..
Scott Vim
DieHard
Vic
Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 06:05 pm, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So the exedy hd organic will handle 250rwkw?

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