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Ben Lipman
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Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 05:09 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have two issues with my soarer 92 JZZ 30 pov pack AC:

1. When the AC button is switched on the green/yellow light under the button flashes. I have not used the AC for a couple of weeks, and it did this when I tried it the other day. I switched it off and forgot about it until now. Does any one know what this indicates?

2. The "auto" button/knob for climate control which was working sporadically is now not working at all. You can dial in the temperature, but cannot turn the auto function on.I assume there is an on/off switch in there somewhere behind the knob. Is it a changeable part or do I need to replace the unit as a whole?
Peter Nitschke
JunkFilterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31

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Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 05:16 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ben, there is an article on A/C diagnostics in the - Diagnostics section which may be helpful.

Most likely if the system has detected a fault, it won't allow the use of Auto, so they are probably related faults.
Ben Lipman
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Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 07:11 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Peter Nitschke wrote on Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 05:16 pm:

Most likely if the system has detected a fault, it won't allow the use of Auto, so they are probably related faults




The Auto button has not worked for over two years. The other fault is more recent. But maybe you're right.

Will go and read diagnostics now...
Ben Lipman
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Wednesday, June 04, 2008 - 04:16 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So I read the diagnostics stuff and had decided the flashing AC light did in fact indicate my compressor was 'locked' I went to do the diagnostics in the car and low and behold the damn thing works fine again. Can this be an intermittent fault?

Secondly I realise I cannot actually do the diagnostic check as the auto button does not work. So what am I looking at replacing to get the auto button to work again?
Peter Nitschke
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Wednesday, June 04, 2008 - 04:18 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just wondering if you are low on gas? The A/C won't work if the pressure drops too much, so possibly if it's borderline, it may work some days but not others.
Ben Lipman
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Wednesday, June 04, 2008 - 04:36 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah Pen, my whole system is a mystery to me and about a half dozen AC technicians across the country. It seems to run out of gas about once every 8-12 months.

There (allegedly) are no leaks, and it has had dye put in it the last couple of refills. The AC Guy told the missus the last time he filled it that the compressor 'was on the way out' and pointed to some oil in a sight window??? He never pointed any such thing out to me previously. I assumed it had failed somehow.

I'm confused. At $750 for a new compressor I want to be sure I'm changing the right part.
Seamus Brice-Bennett
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Kilimanjaro
Soarer UZZ31 Limited (V8)

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Wednesday, June 04, 2008 - 07:33 pm, by:  Seamus Brice-Bennett (Beeby) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ben, I've had lots of problems with my AC in the past but all seem to be sorted now. You can tell if you have the correct amount of gas in your system by looking in the sight glass when engine is running and AC is on (provided it agrees to switch on!) If you see misty clouds swirling past the sightglass your gas is low. If the glass is clear, the gas level is correct (or there isn't any gas but in that case the AC won't switch on because there's a pressure switch to stop it from doing so if gas is low - separate from the blinking light you have. When gas is low no lights will come on at all, AC is just dead. The blinking light is caused by a sensor on the compressor which detrmines that engine speed is very different from compressor speed and it stops the compressor to protect it. This lower compressor speed can be caused by a faulty magnetic clutch which is slipping, or by a compressor in difficulty possibly because the oil level in it is too low so it's in danger of seizing, or perhaps because there's too much gas in the system (this last is a guess, I don't really know). In my case the clutch was contaminated by oil from the compressor because of a faulty oil seal on the compressor shaft. I had to have a reconditioned compressor because that oil seal is a special one, and also because one of the reed valves in the compressor was broken. With luck you won't find your problem is that serious!
Ben Lipman
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 07:54 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good info Seamus.

Today I paid a small fortune ($75) for a second hand "auto Button/climate control module thingy" and fitted it. This was dead easy and I wish I had've done it two years ago. The auto function now works and I am able to do the diagnostic test.

I came up with the error codes for the solar sensor (it is freezing cold and the car was in the shade), and low system pressure.

So after all that I now back to trying to find out where all my AC gas goes every six months.
Peter Nitschke
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 08:29 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Look in from the front of the car and see if the passengers side of the radiator looks a bit oily, as this is where O rings often leak - at least on V8's, the location might be different on a TT.
Matthew Sharpe
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North Island
JZZ31

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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 - 06:19 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

$75 is a bargain if the module is in good condition.
Ben Lipman
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 - 09:13 am, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Peter Nitschke wrote on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 08:29 pm:

Look in from the front of the car and see if the passengers side of the radiator looks a bit oily, as this is where O rings often leak - at least on V8's, the location might be different on a TT.




Will do.

Matthew Sharpe wrote on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 - 06:19 am:

$75 is a bargain if the module is in good condition.




Serious? I thought I was being shafted. It works, so it's in better condition than mine was.
Michael Keen
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 - 05:04 pm, by:  Michael Keen (Spoilt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Seamus Brice-Bennett wrote on Wednesday, June 04, 2008 - 07:33 pm:

Ben, I've had lots of problems with my AC in the past but all seem to be sorted now. You can tell if you have the correct amount of gas in your system by looking in the sight glass when engine is running and AC is on (provided it agrees to switch on!) If you see misty clouds swirling past the sightglass your gas is low. If the glass is clear, the gas level is correct (or there isn't any gas but in that case the AC won't switch on because there's a pressure switch to stop it from doing so if gas is low - separate from the blinking light you have. When gas is low no lights will come on at all, AC is just dead. The blinking light is caused by a sensor on the compressor which detrmines that engine speed is very different from compressor speed and it stops the compressor to protect it. This lower compressor speed can be caused by a faulty magnetic clutch which is slipping, or by a compressor in difficulty possibly because the oil level in it is too low so it's in danger of seizing, or perhaps because there's too much gas in the system (this last is a guess, I don't really know). In my case the clutch was contaminated by oil from the compressor because of a faulty oil seal on the compressor shaft. I had to have a reconditioned compressor because that oil seal is a special one, and also because one of the reed valves in the compressor was broken. With luck you won't find your problem is that serious!




i have been told many a time, that the site, glass in the reciever dryer, does not work like it sue to on r12 gas, where it does not work on the same prinicple as the newer r134a gas.. and i have never actually seen a a/c mechanic look at it to check for faults the best way is to actually put gauges on the system..

also your gas could be leaking inside the car, if the person cant find the leak. with the uv light. cause he cant see the core in the dash now can he.. find a person with a good "sniffer" they call them ,and sniff all the points, they can detect even the slightest leak. especialy if you cant see it.

also like you said it take's about 8-9months for gas to leak, well this could be a side affect of where the car was designed for r12, and has been retro fitted to r134a gas, and this gas, needs a plastic liner in the hoses to stop leakage,
or maybe some one has changed a a/c hose and not actually used a/c hose and it leaks throught the hose.. check to see if there is a new hose fitted, or that does not look genuine?

i'm just tossing up ideas here, as i have had a fair bit of a/c i actually have my licence, and it could ba any one of them idea's al which i have seen before cheers.
Evan Kaio
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 - 06:08 pm, by:  Evan Kaio (Knave) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Having overhauled my A/C system, I found a few leaks.
At the compressor, slip seal and shaft seal.
1 pipe was leaking.
At the fire wall both joints.
And the regulator.
I replaced all (most) of the o rings.
I used a electronic leak detector after I fixed the leaks.
I suspect I still have a slight leak somewhere, but the A/C is still going strong after 6 months.
Again just tossing (off) up ideas here.
Ben Lipman
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 - 08:21 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Michael Keen wrote on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 - 05:04 pm:

find a person with a good "sniffer" they call them




Yeah we did this up in Darwin with some state-of-the-art-first-one-in-the-country-sniffer and came up with nothing.

Might be time to try again.
Evan Kaio
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Thursday, June 12, 2008 - 05:31 pm, by:  Evan Kaio (Knave) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The trouble with electronic leak detectors is that they are so sensitive they usually 'sound off' at the slightest sniff of 'anything'. There are ways around this but I still reckon 'Big Blue', bubbles, or some other sort of spray on liquid type leak detection is the best. This is how I found the leaks originally.
Ben, I'm picking your regulator and compressor shaft seal is leaking. Just a thought.
Ben Lipman
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Thursday, June 12, 2008 - 08:08 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Evan Kaio wrote on Thursday, June 12, 2008 - 05:31 pm:

Ben, I'm picking your regulator and compressor shaft seal is leaking. Just a thought




Cheers mate.

I may have to shop around for some sort of AC Guru who is keen to trouble shoot for me. The local guys are more your gas and go types.

I had a couple of guys who I really trusted and were really into solving problems back in darwin. I haven't found anyone like that down here.
Michael Keen
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Thursday, June 12, 2008 - 08:16 pm, by:  Michael Keen (Spoilt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i know people like that out here, but that is in orange and your to far away haha unless you wanna travel, actually they come to you but will charge you..
Callum Finch
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Friday, June 13, 2008 - 09:59 am, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lift your bonnet and listen for when the air con engages/disengages the compressor in the engine bay.

If it is quite noticeable then your compressor is FARKED.

If you do get the compressor replaced make sure that whoever does the work gets the entire system flushed and cleaned and to check the Tx valve i think its called.
The problem with the compressors is that when they go it is usually because the bearings inside have seized up likely throwing all kinds of iron filings etc as they grind against each other.
This stuff mixes with the gas in your air con system and creates blockages at the valves and other parts.

I've been through these problems several times due to lazy air con "specialists".
Try not to cheap out on it unless you know what to check for and all of what needs to be done.
Nye Phillips
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2.5 tt

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Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 03:12 am, by:  Nye Phillips (Nye) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

HI guys (n girls) just a quickie about the tx valve, can it be cleaned if it is blocked? I have just spent a fortune here in France to get regassed, only to be told " it is full but there is a blockage" I know how to locate it and a local Frenchie claims to be able to recover the gas in order to change it. Any ideas help, help, help }
Nye Phillips
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Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 06:47 pm, by:  Nye Phillips (Nye) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Anyone out there??


Is there any other place the system is likely to block up, has anyone else had this sort of problem??

i have read the system breakdown sheet, but the TX valve seems to be the only one.

Is there a filter to protect the compressor/pump?

Any help would be very much appreciated - thanks guys.

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