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Janitha Jayawardena
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Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 10:13 pm, by:  Janitha Jayawardena (Drjani) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Guys, can I put a 94 TT AC module with wiring loom into my 91 V8?

Please get back to me asap, gotta make an urgent purchase before it goes away!

Thanks heaps,

J
Luke Gomer
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Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 04:18 pm, by:  Luke Gomer (Luke) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, but you will still need to do the wiring that Richard has detailed in the first post.
Chris Lock
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Monday, April 26, 2010 - 06:32 pm, by:  Chris Lock (Sledge) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is there a better tut anywhere on other sites?
About to do this later in the year when i have everything i need...
Michael Spar
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Monday, September 27, 2010 - 03:41 pm, by:  Michael Spar (Michaelspar) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This thread is cool because of the useful and helpful post here. Lots of tips and ideas you will get. Thanks for posting here.
Lynden Phillips
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Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 06:49 pm, by:  Lynden Phillips (Malicia) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey guys,

Spent the weekend doing this conversion and I've got it all done, but I don't seem to have any temp control.

It is just set to 25 degrees. Is this normal or am I missing something?

I seem to have all other functions including mode switching, fresh/recycled air and fan speed just can't change the temp.
Daniel Blackham
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Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 09:29 pm, by:  Daniel Blackham (Daniel24) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Same as mine Lynden
Chris Lock
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Monday, October 25, 2010 - 04:59 pm, by:  Chris Lock (Sledge) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

25 degrees is pretty warm... i hope we can get it lower somehow...
Lynden, any pics/tips ?
Lynden Phillips
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Tuesday, October 26, 2010 - 05:23 am, by:  Lynden Phillips (Malicia) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No real pics yet, need to tweek a few things and make it look pretty. Plus find something to fill the new hole the old EMV has left, lol.

I did start to use the female plug from the EMV CC ECU but found my skills weren't up to that. So I just soldered the wires in the car. I had the dash out at the time which made things easier for me.


Does anyone who has done this swap have temp control?
Nathan Smith
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Victoria
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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 - 08:31 pm, by:  Nathan Smith (Zanjara) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have been going through what has been posted and just wanted to know the way you count is it loom side or face side of the plug?

Reason i ask is because some where they have said is wire has nothing.. I can understand that colour can change but can't figure out if my plugs are wrong.

Below is what the colour and pin out of the plugs with my unit. Also i am going from face side (side that connects to the unit)

Non EMV plugs

Plug A (left on unit)
1 Red
2 Purple
3 Red/Yellow
4 Green
5 Green/Red
6 Red/White
7 White /Black
8 White
9 Yellow/Black
10 nothing
11 nothing
12 nothing
13 nothing
14 nothing
15 Blue/Red

Plug B (middle on unit)

1 Green/yellow
2 white/green
3 black/yellow
4 blue/red
5 blue
6 light green blue/red
7 nothing
8 black/red
9 blue/white
10 red/yellow
11 nothing

Plug C (right on unit)

1 Black
2 Blue
3 Green/Yellow
4 Purple/White
5 Blue/Black
6 Nothing
7 Light green blue
8 Pink
9 Blue/Yellow
10 Light green blue/Red
11 Yellow/Green
12 Orange
13 Green/Orange
14 Yellow
15 Black/Red
16 Black/Yellow
17 Nothing
18 Brown/White
19 Nothing
20 Brown
21 Nothing
22 Green/White
23 Grey
24 Pink/Blue
25 Yellow/Red

I'm trying to work out if my plugs are wrong or not? My unit is out of a 97 soarer.
Chris Lock
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Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 12:33 pm, by:  Chris Lock (Sledge) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

WOuld this wiring be suitable for this?
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=WH3001&CATID=22&form=CAT&SUBCATID=639
or would i need more heavy duty stuff?
Daniel Arndt
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Monday, November 15, 2010 - 01:08 pm, by:  Daniel Arndt (Darndt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Chris this cable would suit 12v systems up to 2A max assuming your loom is less than 0.5m long.
you cable is 13 0.12 which means 13 strands at 0.12mm diameter each strand. convert this to overall cross sectional area is about 0.147mm2


It would suffice for most of the circuits other than the positive feed, ground, and acc.

I would suggest using a heavier wire for all circuits. something about 0.5mm2 just to make sure.

Something else to ponder is will the fuse now protect the cable. Fuses are sized appropriately such that they will break before the cable, hence protecting the cable from burning though. If your new cables are now only handling 2A and your fuse for AC/ control is 5A (guessing here) your cable will burn out before the fuse if something short circuits, potentially causing a fire.
Chris Lock
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Sunday, November 28, 2010 - 11:02 am, by:  Chris Lock (Sledge) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

S-11 E1 White-Blue I-11 GND White-Black
S-7 E White-Blue I-11 GND White-Black

do 2 wires connect to the same pin??
or has Tim got something wrong?
Chris Lock
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Sunday, November 28, 2010 - 08:17 pm, by:  Chris Lock (Sledge) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well i gave up on Tim's 'notes' and followed Richards Guide..
Everything seems to work ok, but the same as others, the temp is stuck at 25..
Any way we can change this? How do the TT's change the temp? is it a knob like in the V8's?
If so (i think they do) then there must be a way to hook it up..
Tim Pike
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Sunday, November 28, 2010 - 10:59 pm, by:  Tim Pike (Keydecoder) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hmm, I have a feeling I spliced the two GND wires together, although can't remember for sure now.

My temp control works fine on mine. It works exactly the same as with the EMV (ie. via the same knob). The wiring is exactly the same as well:

R-12 SET1 Purple-Red J-15 SET1 Purple-Red
R-13 SET2 Green-Orange J-16 SET2 Green-Orange
R-14 SET3 Yellow J-17 SET3 Yellow
R-15 SET4 Black-Red J-18 SET4 Black-Red
R-16 SET5 Black-Yellow J-19 SET5 Black-Yellow

and

R-4 SAUT Purple-White J-10 SAUT Purple-White

I do vaguely recall having troubles with temp control, but I'm pretty sure it was just I hadn't reconnected the small plug up in the far top left.

The best advice I have is to double check all your connections (and test them with a multi-meter as well if you've soldered them to the connector). When I did mine I didn't rely on the posts on here, instead used the wiring diagrams which were worth their weight in gold.


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Chris Lock
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Monday, November 29, 2010 - 07:07 am, by:  Chris Lock (Sledge) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thanks Tim, i'll have a look..
Chris Lock
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Monday, November 29, 2010 - 10:56 pm, by:  Chris Lock (Sledge) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tim, the connector you're pointing to has a blue plug on the end?
Tim Pike
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Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 12:19 pm, by:  Tim Pike (Keydecoder) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think so, its been a while since I had that apart.
Chris Lock
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Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 10:32 pm, by:  Chris Lock (Sledge) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mine:

Nathan Smith
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Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 05:00 pm, by:  Nathan Smith (Zanjara) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Looks good Chris. Any luck in getting it all working? What size wiring did you use? I got another EMV aircon computer sitting here to use the plug from but i think my non emv unit wont work as its from a 97 soarer and the pin outs on the plugs are different then what has been posted sigh..
Chris Lock
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Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 07:21 pm, by:  Chris Lock (Sledge) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Nathan, yeah i fitted it all back in tonight, and yes it's all working perfectly.. Temp control and all, so it must be the plug that Tim pointed out.. i connected that, and all good :-)
I used the automotive wiring that you get from repco whatever that is.. i threw the little spindle things away already sorry..i used 2 spindles, and it was plenty long enough.
Cheers
Allan Langford
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Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 10:14 pm, by:  Allan Langford (Allan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

wonder just how different my 09/96 emv (later EMV unit) wiring is going to be :-(
Nathan Smith
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Friday, December 03, 2010 - 05:53 am, by:  Nathan Smith (Zanjara) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Chris: Well done now you will have aircon for the summer :-) Thats cool dude just wanted to know the wiring. I got some wiring sitting here that looks OEM from work just hope its thick enough. Well the wires used are off an aftermarket alarm plus i got some wiring from Jaycar sitting here as well.

Allan: A few posts up i posted up what the pinouts on the plugs that are connected to the back of a non emv unit out of a 97 soarer so who knows the later EMV could be different again. From memory Toyota have not change there plugs and wiring since 96 i think it is not 100% sure on the year. All current model toyota's all have the same wiring and plug styles. Good thing about toyota they dont change with every single model theses days. Only thing that is not is when you upgrade to the OEM sat nav you just need a patch harness for the nav to work.
Luke Gomer
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Friday, December 03, 2010 - 08:43 am, by:  Luke Gomer (Luke) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The 09/97 EMV air con wiring is the same, however, do remember that there is a variation on the non EMV style air con panel - this causes the fan blower motor to only run at max or off.
Allan Langford
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Friday, December 03, 2010 - 10:51 am, by:  Allan Langford (Allan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

that sucks any more detail on the issue?

what is the output from the non emv panel for fan speed? if its PWM would be an easy fix!
Lynden Phillips
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Friday, December 03, 2010 - 12:00 pm, by:  Lynden Phillips (Malicia) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

THANK YOU TIM!

I couldn't figure out which blue connector you were talking about, then it clicked.

The one that sits up under the dash in behind (next to) the glove box. The one I always forget to reconnect when pulling the EMV out.

Just ran out to the car, plugged it in and BAM! now I have temp control.

Anyone else having temp control issues make sure you've plugged in that little blue connector!!

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