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Bob Watson
Newbie
Queensland
V8
Posts: 1
Reg: 03-2007
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Hi All,I understand that there has been talk that copied cd's wont play on the standard soarer cd player. Up until yesterday I would have agreed with this. I was playing around with the cd player and decided to insert a copied cd and low and behold it played. This naturally sparked my interest as at this stage I have been using an mp3 player to listen to copied music. Anyway back to my story. After this cd playing I decided to get some others and try them out. The odd song would play but I still had trouble playing copied cd's. I looked at the cd that played and noticed that it was a verbatim disc. I checked with the others and they were various brands. I did find however that not all verbatim discs played, but it did start me thinking. A majority of the music industry blanks are Sony and with the age of the cd player there is a chance that the mechanism of the player is also Sony as they usually were back in the early days of cd players. Now I can't get my hands on Sony blanks at the moment so I can't test out my theory. If by some chance that the Sony disc work it means that it will save owners heaps of money by not having to replace the units this having non standard players in the car. If anyone has the time and inclination to give this a try as I will when I can find some Sony discs it would be interesting to read about their findings. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 7387
Reg: 11-2004
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The main experience tends to be that black or very dark blue CD's play better. |
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
ACT
V8 Ltd manual
Posts: 3171
Reg: 07-2005
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It depends very much on the player. Mine plays all of my gold copied CDs perfectly but sticks on a late track on a particular commercial CD. The copy CDs are Verbatim so I doubt it has a lot to do with brand. |
Blaine Hanson
DieHard
WA
1993 GT, 1997 LTD
Posts: 512
Reg: 08-2005
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Is that a April fools comment or what Neil ? Burn the CDs slower ..... lol! |
Blaine Hanson
DieHard
WA
1993 GT, 1997 LTD
Posts: 513
Reg: 08-2005
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I think you will find different brands have different disc thickness and this changes the results. I play copies all the time but can't recall the brand. What David says is 100% true - just because they work in my player doesn't mean they will work in yours - you will just have to experiment. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 7391
Reg: 11-2004
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Slower burning can actually make a difference as the laser has more time to mark the CD.
This used to be quite noticeable when making music CD's a few years ago, no real reason why it won't make a difference with these players. |
Dan McColl
Goo Roo
Victoria
Active V8 and a Factory Manual XF.
Posts: 2096
Reg: 07-2005
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Plus, FYI, The guts, I believe, is Panasonic. |
Vinh Bui
Goo Roo
NSW
94 UZZ31 (V8) / 96 JZZ30 (TT) / 97 JZA80 (TT)
Posts: 1716
Reg: 07-2005
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Yeah Peter, but these days everyone just ignores that and burn it as quick as they can. I still burn my audio CD's at 4x for the sake of quality  (My Supra has a lame 10 CD stacker in it..) |
Bob Watson
Newbie
Queensland
V8
Posts: 2
Reg: 03-2007
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I went digging through my old computer stuff and found my original; cd player wich was purchased in 1992 for $1000. It was a Sony which had a flip down panel and you inserted the disc into sleeve and inserted it back into the player. Looking at the faded label om it, it was a single spin unit lolol those were the days. Anyway getting back to 2007 the music industry don't produce cd's at that speed. I did burn a cd at 6X which is the slowest I could burn and had no luck at playing it. Just out of interest the one that played for me on the weekend was burnt at 40X and so were the others that didn't play. |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31
Posts: 2433
Reg: 10-2005
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Hmm, first CD burner I saw was an external SCSI unit a mate of mine bought for $3,500 which must have been in about 1992 or 1993. It was double speed write, but most of the time failed if you wrote at more than single speed, and the blank CD's were something like $15 each, so you really didn't want that to happen. |
Benny Gammelmark
Goo Roo
NSW
V8 UZZ31
Posts: 1939
Reg: 07-2005
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The first CD burners we had at the office were 2X write and 4X read. This was about 1994 I think.
However sometimes you had to burn at 1x speed to be sure you could read them. |
Bob Watson
Newbie
Queensland
V8
Posts: 4
Reg: 03-2007
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Well, I have spent heaps of time trying to find either the black or blue discs without any luck.
If anyone south of the QLD border knows of a place where I can purchase some please let me know.
Thanks |
Michael Howatt
TryHard
Victoria
4.0 GT-L - V8 - UZZ31
Posts: 128
Reg: 12-2005
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If someone can find these black/blue CD's on the Web for sale. Please provide link. |
Lawrence Ostle
TryHard
NSW
tt
Posts: 362
Reg: 12-2005
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I recall seeing black disks at Jaycar a while back. No sign of them on their web site though. |
Michael Howatt
TryHard
Victoria
4.0 GT-L - V8 - UZZ31
Posts: 133
Reg: 12-2005
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Thanks Lawrence |
Bob Watson
Newbie
Queensland
V8
Posts: 5
Reg: 03-2007
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If I remember correctly, you used to be able to get black discs as they were the ones you used to copy playstation cd's. |
Benny Gammelmark
Goo Roo
NSW
V8 UZZ31
Posts: 1947
Reg: 07-2005
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The black discs are made by Verbatim.
They are called Digital Vinyl CD-R.
I use them all the time and they are good. |
Bob Watson
Tinkerer
Queensland
V8
Posts: 6
Reg: 03-2007
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Hi Benny, Where do you get these discs from Mate? |
Ben Lipman
DieHard
NSW
Soarer TT manual
Posts: 511
Reg: 04-2006
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I was curious today so I played a couple of burnt CD's in the factory stacker. Absolutely no problems with my cheap and nasty Mag media white/silver jobbies from Big W(stack of 50)! I must be one of the lucky ones. |
Benny Gammelmark
Goo Roo
NSW
V8 UZZ31
Posts: 1949
Reg: 07-2005
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hmmmmm I think I got the first pack of 10 from Officeworks. The second one maybe from Big W but I'm not sure.
Anyways, Officeworks have them.
EDIT: btw: One of the reasons I haven't got any problems with them could be that I haven't actually got a stacker.
Actually, I haven't got an original Soarer stereo at all 
I DO feel better now. They say that as long as I don't get too excited I will be fine .....  |
Bob Watson
Tinkerer
Queensland
V8
Posts: 7
Reg: 03-2007
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Well I am having no luck with copied cd's. Normal cd's play great so I know it isn't the stacker or unit problem.
My question now is about the stacker. Can one replace the stacker with a later model? I know the stacker sits ontop of the amplifier and is intigrated into the cabin unit.
I don't want to do anything to the console as it looks great the way it is. Is there a painless way of replacing the stacker without having to bastardise anything in the boot? |
Ben Lipman
DieHard
NSW
Soarer TT manual
Posts: 515
Reg: 04-2006
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you could put in one of the FM ones that play via your fm radio. Otherwise when I was playing with Kenwood gear a few years ago in another car there was talk of some sort of 'bus cable converter'(?) that was supposed to be able to integrate with the various OEM head units to allow fitment of mini disc stackers and what not. I never followed up on it and my memory is very hazy(10 years ago in a Strathfields).
Some one with a great deal more knowledge will be along shortly to correct me... |
Benny Gammelmark
Goo Roo
NSW
V8 UZZ31
Posts: 1952
Reg: 07-2005
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If you want good sound stay away from the fm ones.
I had one in another car and they suck, quality wise. |
Bob Watson
Tinkerer
Queensland
V8
Posts: 8
Reg: 03-2007
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Showing my ignorance here, but why would you want to hook up to FM when you want to hook up to CD ? |
Ben Lipman
DieHard
NSW
Soarer TT manual
Posts: 521
Reg: 04-2006
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For cases where you have no input for a stacker you can send the feed to the antenna cable. The head unit then receives the signal from the stacker on a specific frequency, usually around 88 point something. Not the absolute greatest sound but you can live with it. |
Bob Watson
Tinkerer
Queensland
V8
Posts: 9
Reg: 03-2007
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Hmmm thanks for that info Ben. I would prefer to be able to change over the stacker and replace it with a newer one. I can't seem to find out what brand the original stacker is so that I can try to source one of the same brand. Does anyone out there know what brand they might have been ? |
Dan McColl
Goo Roo
Victoria
Active V8 and a Factory Manual XF.
Posts: 2147
Reg: 07-2005
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Send your stacker to Damien Ware for a tune up, and a re-alignment and you won't need a new one. |
Bob Watson
Tinkerer
Queensland
V8
Posts: 10
Reg: 03-2007
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Hi Dan,
Could you please send me a contact address.
my email addy is stryder56@iprimus.com.au |
Dan McColl
Goo Roo
Victoria
Active V8 and a Factory Manual XF.
Posts: 2150
Reg: 07-2005
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http://soarercentral.com/cgi-bin/sc-forum/board-profile.cgi?action=sendmsg&to=frozenpod&db=users
You can contact him directly on the above link. |
Ben Lipman
DieHard
NSW
Soarer TT manual
Posts: 523
Reg: 04-2006
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They look very similar to early pioneer stackers but I don't actually know. |
Benny Gammelmark
Goo Roo
NSW
V8 UZZ31
Posts: 1958
Reg: 07-2005
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I thought they were Panasonic but so much has changed in the last 15 years that any new unit probably wouldn't work anyway. |
Bob Watson
Tinkerer
Queensland
V8
Posts: 11
Reg: 03-2007
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It is too bad that Toyota Japan isn't more forthcoming with information about the Soarers as this would make life easier for us owners. |
Greg Hixon
Tinkerer
Queensland
GT Limited V8
Posts: 28
Reg: 09-2006
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Just a thought but when blank cd's came out they were only capable of 74 minutes of recording time . now they are 80 minutes in length . That means the tracking ridge on the cd is a wound tighter hence the laser has trouble tracking . When you think about it on the nanometre scale it is a big Difference in size .
Tying to find more Information on the cd's will post when I have found it . Greg . |
Benny Gammelmark
Goo Roo
NSW
V8 UZZ31
Posts: 1986
Reg: 07-2005
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I have problems with the first tracks once in a while. That is probably the reason.
When CD's are burnt they are done "backwards", ie. it burns the last track first - don't know why but that is at least what I have noticed. |
Roland Elliott
Tinkerer
New South Wales
uzz32 1uz-fe
Posts: 73
Reg: 08-2014
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Just browsing around, I wonder why so many threads don't have an answer or foldback on the tail, Has anyone discovered the secret in why some cd's work and others don;t ? |
Mark Donovan
DieHard
Auckland
V8 Limited, LS400
Posts: 963
Reg: 07-2005
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I thought it was due to the laser getting weaker over time, causing it to fail to read the burned 'bits' on the disc.
I might have this completely wrong but I thought commercially made CDs were made by being physically pressed, so there was a physical scoring of the surface, whereas consumer level disc burners attempt to replicate this by just burning a mark into the surface of writable discs with a laser.
These burn marks are more difficult for a laser to read when compared to a physical mark in the disc surface, so a weaker/older laser will have less success reading what is already a less than ideal medium. |
Ian Rigby
TryHard
NSW
'97 AE102, '95 JZZ30
Posts: 221
Reg: 11-2010
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Mark Donovan wrote on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 10:03 am:I might have this completely wrong but I thought commercially made CDs were made by being physically pressed, so there was a physical scoring of the surface, whereas consumer level disc burners attempt to replicate this by just burning a mark into the surface of writable discs with a laser.
Correct - if a glass-master is used the back-side of the polycarbonate is physically moulded with the information, and then the aluminium reflector is sprayed over the top. CD-Rs use a smooth PC blank with a layer of photosensitive dye under the reflector which gets "burnt" by the laser during the writing process, changing it's transparency/reflectivity and forming the digital data.
-RWs are a bit different in that they have a metal-alloy layer instead of the dye which changes structure when the laser is applied, but the process is reversible which makes then re-writable.
I did a tour of the Sony DADC factory at Eastern Creek as part of an engineering summer school before I started uni, was quite an eye-opener to see how fast they churned the CDs out (and how many rejects there were due to problems with the reflective layer etc) |
Dave Rose
Goo Roo
wa
UZZ31 / ML320 CDI
Posts: 2599
Reg: 03-2007
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only ever play copys in cd player?? |
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