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Andrew Stewart
Tinkerer
Queensland
GT-T Single Turbo
Posts: 9
Reg: 06-2007
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Hi all, was reading on one of the other forums i am associated with, and was announced that street commodores have a petition started to stop the "hoon" label that all modified car enthusiasts have received. So if you would like to see the "community" that we have become involved in, be cut some slack by the authorities, sign the petition over at http://www.streetcommodores.com/petition/index.php so we can freely go for a cruise whenever we like without being targeted just because our car looks good. They are trying to get 10000 signatures and are well over half way of getting there, so if you know anyone that has a modified car, or considers them selves apart of the modifying community, tell them to jump over to the website and put your name down. |
Adam Parisi
Tinkerer
SA
UZZ30
Posts: 76
Reg: 07-2005
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The unfortunate truth of the matter is that a lot of people with modified cars ARE hoons, drive recklessly and needlessly endanger both themselves, their passengers and other road users. I've personally seen quite a few cruise drive-bys, from many types of cars, and seen burnouts, sideways, ignoring traffic signs, speeding, and all the other things that are being targetted by police. In a cruise that I organised with some guys from work, a young fella in a Skyline decided to try and pass others in the cruise by driving in the bike sliplane. And drove straight up the back of a parked truck. While a police officer was booking a guy on a bike 50m up the road.
If people did not drive recklessly, and you have to admit that modified vehicles do stand out a lot more than unmodified vehicles, then there would not be these hoon laws. But another point is that a hoon is a hoon, and they could be driving a beat up 70's corolla, but they would be thrashing that car for all it's capable of. I've had my soarer for about 3 years now, the only thing that is not stock are the rims, and they aren't anything special either. I have been pulled over by the cops exactly zero times, which leads me to believe that a)my car doesn't stand out  , or b) because I don't drive in a way that is classified as hoon behaviour, then I won't get looked at.
My position is, is that if you're caught doing this kind of stuff, take your licks and live with it, it was your own fault in the first place. I'm not saying I'm perfect, in the last six months I've been flashed twice speeding and once for missing a red light, but I copped it sweet, paid the fines and went on my merry way. |
Andrew Stewart
Tinkerer
Queensland
GT-T Single Turbo
Posts: 10
Reg: 06-2007
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i totally agree, i have a fairly stock looking soarer as well, and i have not been pulled over as well, but there is always that possibility that police will pull you over and find defects that do not exist. like, "you have a dirty windscreen" or something like that. just to totally annoy you. i still think that hoons should be targeted, but don't target the people who just have nice looking cars. but unfortunately there is going to be always going to be a small minority that will wreck the fun for any group, whether it be cars, clubbing, whatever it may be. but it would be nice just to be able to drive around without the possibility of being pulled over. Just now i found out from a friend that police are now setting up defect bays that they only pull over modified cars and check them over, but a 30 year old rust bucket could drive past blowing smoke but will not be targeted. is that fair?  |
Brian Timms
DieHard
New South Wales
TT Soarer Goodness.
Posts: 762
Reg: 12-2006
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I have a Soarer with modified wheels, massive exhaust, external BOV, and pod filter.
I have not had any problems from Police in respect to my Soarer, they dont even take a 2nd look at me.
I had a Nissan 180sx before the Soarer, lowered, marge wheels, exhaust system, loud BOV, filter, body kit, and the darkest tinting you could ever think of seeing through, and again no issues at all.
I dont drive like a knob, but I am not scared to accelerate a little either, but yet I haven't had an issue.
I would sign the patition, but the fact that it's the Commodore people is holding me off a little.
My reasonings, is I performed a Peter Brock rememberance cruise this year, invited many clubs, and the Commodore people had one they wanted to do and controll themselves, so 2 groups went from Sydney to Bathurst. our group had many modified cars, and none where pulled over or booked, the commodore guys where booked all through the day for numerous things, mainly speeding.
Also, looking on youtube, there are 'brock rememberance cruises' where these same types are doing burnouts and other illegal and stupid things under the banner of a remberance cruise, so they have lost my respect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbtHNGdXyDU
B. |
Scott Beveridge
Newbie
NSW
tt
Posts: 1
Reg: 02-2008
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Before I'd done any mods to my JZZ30, being stock as a rock, whilst on my way to work (doing 45 in a 50 zone mind you), I was pulled over and treated like a common criminal all for the sake of driving a nice car. The officer in question fined me for a p-plate missing, from the back only ( around $200 and 3 points), even though I had spares in glove box. Im not anti-police as I have encountered many respectable law enforcers. Where is the justice?
I guess my point of this little ramble is that I'm all for the abolishment of this "Hoon - Status" we genuine car enthusiasts are frequently labelled. |
Alex Barbieri
TryHard
VIC
UZZ31
Posts: 159
Reg: 08-2007
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I was treated like absolute crap at a booze bus the other day. There is nothing wrong with my car, I even stick the p plate on the outside because the back window is tinted.
The officer didn't speak a word to me, shoved the breathalyser in my face- as soon as it beeped he did a lap of my car, giving it the up-down and then waved me on.
I usually have good experiences with cops, and have a family friend who is one- but its guys like that really give the police a bad rep. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops
Posts: 1240
Reg: 08-2005
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Wow. He really screwed you over there. I'd sue. Don't they know they are supposed to give you a happy ending after a breath test?? |
Matthew Crawford
TryHard
Victoria
97 VVT-i GT-T + 91 JZZ30 TT
Posts: 443
Reg: 03-2007
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Most traffic police are power tripping cun*s that take huge pleasure in their little bit of power.
After being fined for my car aquaplaning off the road whilst travelling way below the speed limit in heavy rain - I have no respect for them in this country. |
Alex Barbieri
TryHard
VIC
UZZ31
Posts: 160
Reg: 08-2007
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Haha good one Miles. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops
Posts: 1241
Reg: 08-2005
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Yeah well sorry but I don't really see that a cop doing his job by inspecting your car is giving cops a bad name. And he wasn't perfectly polite. Big deal. The guy has to stand by the side of the road in freezing cold wet weather getting people to blow into a straw. I'd be a little abrupt too. It's not like he beat you with a phone book.
And Scott. You broke the law and you're whining that he didn't give you a free pass. Stiff. |
Matthew Crawford
TryHard
Victoria
97 VVT-i GT-T + 91 JZZ30 TT
Posts: 445
Reg: 03-2007
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Miles Baker wrote on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 10:28 am:The guy has to stand by the side of the road in freezing cold wet weather getting people to blow into a straw
No he doesn't - it's not the drivers' fault he chose the profession he did.
If he's being a twat because of the work he's doing - he should grow a backbone and change his 'career' |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops
Posts: 1242
Reg: 08-2005
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So you're absolutely 100% polite every day to every person you meet at work and you've never been even the slightest bit short or rude. Ever. |
Alen Sadikovic
DieHard
VIC
Soarer GTT
Posts: 510
Reg: 10-2006
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Miles Baker wrote on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 12:11 pm:So you're absolutely 100% polite every day to every person you meet at work and you've never been even the slightest bit short or rude. Ever
yeah, but our profession dont include giving out fines or arresting people. having the power they have, been polite and not rude is very important. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops
Posts: 1243
Reg: 08-2005
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Whatever you reckon.
Personally, people being a little bit short with me doesn't make any difference. Couldn't care less. Especially if those people have to deal with violent douche bags on a daily basis to keep me safe. |
Matthew Crawford
TryHard
Victoria
97 VVT-i GT-T + 91 JZZ30 TT
Posts: 447
Reg: 03-2007
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Miles Baker wrote on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 01:01 pm:Personally, people being a little bit short with me doesn't make any difference. Couldn't care less. Especially if those people have to deal with violent douche bags on a daily basis to keep me safe.
You're talking about traffic cops here mate - they're not exactly Columbo! |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops
Posts: 1244
Reg: 08-2005
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Oh so traffic cops never deal with anyone dangerous?
Their entire duty is driving around writing tickets? |
Jan Christiansson
TryHard
NSW
Soarer V8 SC Manual
Posts: 492
Reg: 07-2005
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You so right Miles, they braking the law and then whining because they got a ticket, even if you drive under speed limit and have an accident you have driven to fast and with that risk other peoples life and your own, you should have a ticket for that. |
Adrain Parsons
DieHard
Qld
JZZ30 tt
Posts: 647
Reg: 08-2005
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your cops down south sound like nazis where i live they dont take a second look when im driving my soarer around. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops
Posts: 1245
Reg: 08-2005
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What are you crapping on about this time Jan? |
Jan Christiansson
TryHard
NSW
Soarer V8 SC Manual
Posts: 493
Reg: 07-2005
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If that is your attitude to people who agree with you, I feel sorry for you. I will never give you the tums up anymore. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops
Posts: 1246
Reg: 08-2005
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OK sorry read ya wrong then.
Although I disagree that you should get a ticket for having an accident where noone else was affected. Sometimes accidents do happen. |
Jan Christiansson
TryHard
NSW
Soarer V8 SC Manual
Posts: 494
Reg: 07-2005
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Apology accepted, I agree with you there as well, but the law say you should have one witch is ridicules and the police just do there job.
I would be happy to change that law.
Miles Baker wrote on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 07:40 pm:Although I disagree that you should get a ticket for having an accident where no one else was affected. Sometimes accidents do happen.
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Matthew Crawford
TryHard
Victoria
97 VVT-i GT-T + 91 JZZ30 TT
Posts: 448
Reg: 03-2007
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Miles Baker wrote on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 04:22 pm:What are you crapping on about this time Jan?
Chip - meet shoulder. |
Matthew Crawford
TryHard
Victoria
97 VVT-i GT-T + 91 JZZ30 TT
Posts: 449
Reg: 03-2007
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Miles Baker wrote on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 02:26 pm:Oh so traffic cops never deal with anyone dangerous?
Their entire duty is driving around writing tickets?
Whatever their 'duty' - it's their choice. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops
Posts: 1247
Reg: 08-2005
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Look Matthew we're agreeing here that you shouldn't have gotten a ticket. OK? That guy, from your report, was overdoing it. Alright?
But as far as the other post with the cop treating him like absolute crap, or giving all cops a bad name or whatever.. by just being curt and inspecting his car. That's rubbish. It's not like he took a bribe then capsicum sprayed a disabled baby. He was a little unfriendly. Big fckin deal. The police are not there to be the silver service arse wipers. In case you haven't noticed they are about the only members of society that have to walk around with a gun strapped to them for their daily job. This is because at any time they are expected to kill people who are trying to kill them or others. Do not expect a friendly smile 100% of the time out of these people. |
Perry Morgan
Goo Roo
Qld
UZZ32 ( V8 )
Posts: 1708
Reg: 07-2005
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Never ONCE been pulled over or even looked at in 6.5 years of owning my soarer. I don't hang out at Macca's while knobs do burnouts. I do go on cruises but let the heros in the group go and cut through the traffic weaving and not indicating etc so that they can get there ages before everyone else. Which I don't understand really. It's a CRUISE. If you wanna race off by yourself you can do that anytime.
If you have modded your car and you know you have illegal things on it and you get pulled over and busted for them, or you get done for speeding then SHUT THE F&%K UP and take responsibility for your decisions. As someone whose family was VERY affected by someone driving a modded car up the arse of my parents one at twice the speed limit I don't wanna hear ya crap. Enjoy doing what you wanna do, but man up and accept what's coming to you when it all catches up.
BTW, the guy who ran up the back of the oldies car (causing a BIG pile up) is doing a good stretch in Jail for killing a woman. Hope the fun he had was worth it for him because he won't be able to do it for about 8 more years  |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops
Posts: 1248
Reg: 08-2005
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Right on Perry. |
Gavin Smith
Tinkerer
Victoria
2.4 TD
Posts: 43
Reg: 01-2008
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Matthew, I'm not sure where exactly you are located in Victoria, but here in Wheelers Hill, we recently had a really bad crash which involved 2 modified cars, a series 2 RX-7 and a imitation Lancer EVO 3, that were racing down Ferntree Gully rd. The Lancer hit a taxi and literally wrapped itself around a gum tree after loosing control. A 16 year old kid was killed in this crash, the driver was a drop-kick dead-sh1t flog who was pushing 26, maybe 27 years old who used to sell drugs at my high school during recess and lunch time. My point? Glad you asked. I had to provide a witness statement to the attending traffic police officer as I had placed the two cars at the scene about 1.5hrs before the crash happened, not accident, crash.
The attending officer was literally on his way out the door to go home to his kids when, being the senior officer at the station, got called out to the accident. This was at 8pm. I met with him at 11am the following morning, he hadn't been home or slept yet and had been filling out paper work, detailing where the individual body parts of each of the victims had been found, and then driving to the house of the dead kid's to tell his parents that "hey, your kid is currently getting peeled off a gum tree about 1km from your house". Not exactly columbo???? Mate, traffic cops see MORE dead bodies than every other department excluding homicide, get some perspective.
As per your comment that most traffic police are cu*ts on a power trip, I am very good friends with a highway patrol officer, and when I had an accident on the freeway at 100kph the traffic "cu*ts" as you call them, were fantastic to me, even though i was driving a commodore on P-plates. They called home for me, organised a tow truck (free of charge), a taxi to get me to uni as i had a presentation (also free of charge) and all I had to do was blow into a straw.
You wonder why they might treat you with contempt? They get taught how to read people at the academy Matthew, they read body language. If you look full of contempt and disrespect for their profession, then they're going to give you a hard time.
It takes just 7 muscles to smile, but 47 to frown. It's a hell of a lot easier to be nice than a prick, it causes less agrivation and can stop stomach ulcers.
Next time you watch the news and see a crash, just think about the poor bastard that has to go and document, photograph, collect pieces of body, then go tell that person's mother what happened, then think about how by you being nice to said traffic cop could make their day a little nicer.
Oh, by the way, cadets do booze bus stations, the real cops are the ones standing around, waiting for some drunk idiot who will probably kill someone, to do a runner. Next time you see someone getting arrested for raping a 7 year old girl on the news, just remember that the cadet holding the straw for you to blow in, who MAY have just been ADMIRING your car, will probably be that cop who get the sick prick off the streets.
My 2 cents.... |
Matthew Crawford
TryHard
Victoria
97 VVT-i GT-T + 91 JZZ30 TT
Posts: 450
Reg: 03-2007
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Perry Morgan wrote on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 08:50 am:If you have modded your car and you know you have illegal things on it and you get pulled over and busted for them, or you get done for speeding then SHUT THE F&%K UP and take responsibility for your decisions. As someone whose family was VERY affected by someone driving a modded car up the arse of my parents one at twice the speed limit I don't wanna hear ya crap. Enjoy doing what you wanna do, but man up and accept what's coming to you when it all catches up.
I don't think any of that is up for discussion by anyone on this thread. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops
Posts: 1249
Reg: 08-2005
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Right on, Gavin.
They have a hard job. Sometimes they don't do it with a smile. Big Freakin Deal. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 9037
Reg: 11-2004
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Matthew, I think you made it a pretty open thread by slagging ALL cops because you got caught out not driving properly in adverse weather conditions. |
Matthew Crawford
TryHard
Victoria
97 VVT-i GT-T + 91 JZZ30 TT
Posts: 451
Reg: 03-2007
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All? - have a read of my post where I said MOST!
You think it's right to get the p!ss taken out of you and get fined by police when they turn up at the scene of an accident? - they were more interested in extracting money and mirth from the situation than securing the thoroughfare and checking if I was OK.
And I thought cops were bad in the UK!
At least they would check if I was OK before taking the p!ss
Thats the first way to lose respect from the peopel you're supposed to be 'serving' |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 9038
Reg: 11-2004
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What exactly did they fine you for?
Were you walking around when they arrived? |
Perry Morgan
Goo Roo
Qld
UZZ32 ( V8 )
Posts: 1709
Reg: 07-2005
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Matthew Crawford wrote on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 11:13 am:I don't think any of that is up for discussion by anyone on this thread.
It was put up for discussion when people with modded cars complained when the cops want to give them the once over to make sure the car is ok. Sure, the hoon thing tars everyone with the same brush, but if you want dickheads like the one I mentioned caught then put up with the small inconvenience of being checked out now and then.
You get to ramble on about peoples career choices and I don't get to point out WHY the cops might get the idea that people who want fast cars MAY also be targeted by the cops. I mean if they could just look in the rego and know the guy driving will cause an accident due to his lack of respect for other road users or the fact that his car is a dangerous heap then I am sure that they would do that and leave you alone. |
Matthew Crawford
TryHard
Victoria
97 VVT-i GT-T + 91 JZZ30 TT
Posts: 452
Reg: 03-2007
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Perry - not up for discussion as in nobody is denying that there are idiots around causing accidents through reckless driving/speeding etc... it's obvious that nobody wants to see that happen.
relax fella! |
Matthew Crawford
TryHard
Victoria
97 VVT-i GT-T + 91 JZZ30 TT
Posts: 453
Reg: 03-2007
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Peter Nitschke wrote on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 01:22 pm:What exactly did they fine you for?
Were you walking around when they arrived?
I was sitting on the side of the road with my head in my hands Peter.
Having just nearly died - I was suitably shaken.
And they fined me for "Not being in full control of a vehicle"
After the woman that was driving behind me watching the car aquaplane stopping and giving her details to prove I was not speeding or braking when the car went
he spent about 15 minutes working out what he could fine me for.
Not once did he mention a tow truck,
Not once did any of the 6 officers in 3 patrol cars that arrived ask me if I was OK
Not once did they even consider to secure the scene of the accident and remove the debris that was strwen all over the inside lane of the freeway.
real class act.
/Rant
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David Vaughan
Goo Roo
ACT
V8 Ltd manual
Posts: 3755
Reg: 07-2005
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I am unable to share your experience to the extent that I have never aquaplaned off the road, although admittedly I have been driving for only 43 years so far.
I had always thought this had something to do with the tyres I fitted and the fact that I tend to be unconversational in a car because I am observing the road, although I may be wrong about this. |
Matthew Crawford
TryHard
Victoria
97 VVT-i GT-T + 91 JZZ30 TT
Posts: 458
Reg: 03-2007
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Very droll 
I would need a split personality to be being 'conversational' by my self.
6 weeks of drought followed by an hour of sheet rain = standing oily water. |
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
ACT
V8 Ltd manual
Posts: 3757
Reg: 07-2005
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So? |
Alen Sadikovic
DieHard
VIC
Soarer GTT
Posts: 511
Reg: 10-2006
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Matthew Crawford wrote on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 04:11 pm:Not once did any of the 6 officers in 3 patrol cars that arrived ask me if I was OK
that reminds me of my accident last week, none of them asked me if i was ok too??? all they did was look at me, at my car, and loocked how to fine me. although i didn't get a fine for " Not been full in control of the vehicle" instead "wreck less driving" charge...maybe waiting for the letter... |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops
Posts: 1250
Reg: 08-2005
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Well, this is the risk you take driving a car known for hoon drivers. Whinge all you want, that's the way the world works. Complaining on a forum ain't gonna change it. |
Graham Dollisson
Goo Roo
QLD
GTTL , Morris Marina, P76 V8 Super, P76 6cyl Deluxe
Posts: 1255
Reg: 07-2005
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Miles Baker wrote on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 10:19 pm:Well, this is the risk you take driving a car known for hoon drivers
It's unfortunately true. In five years of Soarer ownership,I can't remember passing another Soarer. They all pass me, usually quite fast. I just drive at the speed limit, and drive like granny in the wet. These cars a lethal weapons in anything other than dry weather. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 9042
Reg: 11-2004
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And every winter we see the tales of the back spinning out when navigating a roundabout etc.
Mostly the drivers realise and admit they over cooked it though.
Heavy car, rear wheel drive, slippery road, etc, the maths isn't that hard.
Fortunately most drivers only need it to happen once to raise their awareness of the potential for things to go wrong.
Unfortunately, it's usually after sustaining some damage.  |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops
Posts: 1251
Reg: 08-2005
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If you'd like an indication of why the Soarer is now seen as a hoon car, I suggest this thread
http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/51876/240153.html?1207009752
In there we have 20 year olds swapping stories of burnouts and stoplight drag races. And then a rationalisation for acting like that. |
Greg Hixon
Tinkerer
Queensland
GT Limited V8
Posts: 29
Reg: 09-2006
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I ride a bike ( ZZR 1100 ) and hit oil on the road and high sided at 40 km/h while laying on the road with a broken collar bone and punctured lung waiting for the Ambos a cop pulled up and asked for my licence and wanted to put me on the bag . Once I was back on the rode ( 10 weeks later ) every week I was pulled over for some random check . If you think it's hard driving a car get a bike and find out about police harassment . |
Adam Parisi
Tinkerer
SA
UZZ30
Posts: 89
Reg: 07-2005
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Thread resurrection!!!
Well Greg, while I think that what happened after an accident in which you were involved is pretty lousy service from a public service, I also think that your random checks were nothing more than that. I am also of the opinion that any harassment of motorcyclists, and bicyclists is long overdue. You bastards overtake in bad spots, lane split in moving traffic, indulge in extreme acceleration off lights and generally act like dickheads. I saw one guy the other day turn into an arterial road and try to mono while he was turning, nearly landing on a cars bonnet in the process. Just ONE example of many. The only ones that don't are the people on mopeds. And that's only because the machinery between their legs is simply not up to the task. Nope, you guys on bikes simply do NOT get my sympathy and should be lumped in with the hoons. If you didn't lane split at lights, didn't accelerate stupidly at all times and generally didn't act like you owned the roads, then maybe I'd accept your reason, but when some wanker on a bike decides that my car is a good place to lean on while waiting for lights to change, then I take exception. And revenge. |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31
Posts: 3478
Reg: 10-2005
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There is a guy that lives around the corner from me who owns a big Harley - its a nice bike, but every weekend without fail I have to listen to him riding it up and down our street.
Up and down, up and down all ••••••• day - and he guns it hard as he comes around the corner. The thing has to be way over the legal decibel limit as it makes our windows rattle and we are a fair ways back from the road - plus by the time hes half way up the street he must be doing 80+ in a 50k zone with a lot of kids around.
Yet he continually gets away with both the offencively loud exhaust, and the constant speeding - possibly becuase he only takes it out on Saturdays and Sundays.
My only solace is someday the asshole will probably hit a car pulling out of a driveway. |
Perry Morgan
Goo Roo
Qld
UZZ32 ( V8 )
Posts: 1713
Reg: 07-2005
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Adam, you cannot tar everyone with the same brush. I ride a roadbike to stay fit for mountain biking and on an early morning group ride on the weekend I was given crap because I would not blow through red lights in the city. I would never consider leaning on someones' car at a light but would consider braining someone with a clublock if they did it to mine  |
Greg Hixon
Tinkerer
Queensland
GT Limited V8
Posts: 30
Reg: 09-2006
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As Perry said you can not tar every one with the same brush . I also drive a GT Limited Soarer . The bike is a ZZR1100 Kawasaki and my job is driving a concrete agitator ( 275 HP minus 20 % for the bowl ) . So I see every type of idiot on the road . The best way to avoid the police harassment is to be a good little boy / girl and do the right thing . If you have load exhausts and do burnouts then expect to be noticed . After an accident of any kind the police will try and blame you . If you think all bike riders are dickheads then Adam you need to be aware of the way others see your driving style . Not all bike riders drive like dickheads just like not all Soarer drives drive like angels . Be Considerate to all road users whether they are on a pushy or driving a B Double WE SHARE THE ROADS WITH EVERYONE . As my riding Instructor said
" Ride like your invisible and those that do see you want to kill you and you might make it to the next corner ."
yes my bike does do 290 km/h and the car is limited to 180 km/h and my truck is flat out at 98 km/h So show all road users the same respect that you would like shown to you .
GREG . |
Adam Parisi
Tinkerer
SA
UZZ30
Posts: 90
Reg: 07-2005
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Ok Perry and Greg, I shouldn't be all inclusive and use sweeping statements and include ALL people who ride. For that I apologise. It's just that after a while, when the majority of people that I see using two wheeled transportation, which is a minority of the people actually using the road, act that way, it gets under my skin. I'm definitely not going to say I'm perfect, but I don't understand why people on bikes (some of them) feel the need to act this way. As you say Greg, WE SHARE THE ROADS WITH EVERYONE. And yet day after day, I see people on bikes, both engine powered and human powered, display such carelessness and disregard that I simply cannot stay silent with my opinion on the matter.
Here's something to consider Greg. You drive a concrete agitator. I bet that's a heavy bastard when it's loaded up, difficult to maneuver and difficult to stop in an emergency. So, you would expect people in cars to be aware of that fact, I know I am, and I daresay you get angry when they are not. That is the way I feel towards bikes. My car does not accelerate like a bike, does not handle like a bike and does not stop like a bike. I expect bike riders to understand this. I certainly don't want to be responsible for the injury or death of somebody who was out caning their bike up the road, and simply didn't consider that I may not have the stopping or turning power that their bike has. |
Matthew Werner
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i don't mind getting pulled over where i live, because most of the time its a hot as steamy blonde with office glasses and lipstick... i'm over lapping now but i go out on thursday monday and tuesday nights at bout mid night just to see my li'l sargent... ;-) |
Harley Jones
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NSW
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Adam Parisi wrote on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 02:01 am:The unfortunate truth of the matter is that a lot of people with modified cars ARE hoons, drive recklessly and needlessly endanger both themselves, their passengers and other road users
mate as a taxi owner, and having delivered pizzas for 4 of the last 5 years, spending nearly endless ks on the road traveling for on site IT work and interstate constantly, i can honestly tell you that i see alot more "hoon" like activity in dead standard cars, mostly commos and falcons. usually driven by fully licenced drivers. i also see alot more downright dangerous non observant driving by people in unmodified cars aswell...im not saying people that modify their cars dont cut skids ect...but i see ALOT more of it go on in stockers than in tastefully modified cars...after all who really wants to damage the 50 odd grand of parts they have just put under their car? |
Jol Alexander
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Harley, thats true, but how about on average? How many high powered cars belong to hons versus stock? |
Grant Rowan
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QLD
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Reg: 02-2006
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I agree Harley.
I do at least 700km of city driving a week with my job.
And most of the hoon driving is done by stock cars. (Mostly Dunny doors and chook tins!).
I guess the guys who have the seriously modified cars don’t want to attract the boys in blue to their illegally modified vehicles? |
Harley Jones
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hey jol id still say not many...90% of high powered cars are now in garages, never seeing the light of day because as soon as they leave the driveway they will be constantly pulled over, hassled by the police and treated like they are out looking for people to kill. just because they have a nice car...get yourself a bit into the local car scene, find out where the local street races/skids happen on a friday night, go out there. make a list of the type of cars you see doing most of the skids, races, driving dangerously. then get back to me on what make and model the majority of them are  ...the problem is the mindset and education of younger drivers...not the type of cars they drive.
more to the point...compare the accident records of MOST people that own high performance cars, to your average joe blow citizen that drives from A to B..you will find that most people that drive modified cars pay alot more attention to what is going on around them on the road, they are generally more courteous and over all alot safer and less likely to be involved in an at fault accident. why is this? because generally owners of modified cars have an interest in cars and driving....and general joe blows dont..its just a means to an end....and 99% of the time..people with an interest in something are better at it than people that have no interest in it. Thats what my experience on the road has shown me anyway. with probably 300,000-400,000 ks under my belt in all sorts of conditions, and not one single at fault accident. and every car ive owned has been very heavily modified and high performance.
ill add that in my ONLY accident on the road, i was parked in the parking lane...lights on, hand brake on...reading a map, and some loser in a stock hatch lost control in a 50 zone doing about 80 and took out the front of my car....cops rock up...and start treating me like a serial killer, accusing me of driving dangerously and telling me they will have my licence for driving dangerously BEFORE THEY EVEN ASKED WHAT HAPPENED!!they rocked up, pointed to my car, asked who owned it. then when i said "thats mine" they started on me....why, koz my car was a modified turbocharged vehicle. the look on their faces was absolutely priceless when the other driver interrupted and said "actually he was stationary, i lost control and hit him"...that said..did they apologise to me for treating me like a common criminal? no they didnt. |
Ali Saeed
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WA
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Reg: 09-2007
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i read somewhere that white camry's are most likely to be in a car crash? or was it black? but yeh hardly a fast or modified car there. |
David Vaughan
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NSW
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Reg: 07-2005
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The population of camrys, black or white, is higher than the population of fast or modified cars, so of course more of them will crash, but most probably fewer per thousand on the road so you make no case there.
Insurance companies take blunt views, meaning they deal with cars and drivers in groups rather than as individuals, but their profit-oriented practices are still informative. They tell us: - Younger drivers crash more, probably at higher speed.
- A small number of modifications makes no significant difference to risk.
- More heavily modified cars are more likely to get stuffed up a tree.
If you want something more comforting, I see nothing in car insurance assessments which relate directly to hoon behaviour rather than to your record of accidents and offences.
Police motivations may be pure but their interests are different from those of insurers, while politicians may want to save the world but first they just need to keep getting elected. These facts do not make all their actions ignorant or ill-informed. |
Matthew Werner
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Qld
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here's an idea,
Next time cntstable watzizface from your local PD pulls you up because you took off a bit quick, pull over as he turns his lights on, turn the car off, wind the window down with your fully sick subs turned off and have your licence ready with a smile and act like you really feel for him in his position.. if he wants to check under your hood, pop it and open it for him quickly. If you got ulegal snot then take it on the chin..
treating a cop with a little respect will get you a little back.. i've proved this in many different places.. (qld only, nsw cops are nazis) o and chick cops are a hopeless cause, If you get pulled up by a woman your in deep sh*t, don even try getting anywhere.. unless your a chick too;-P 
I have 3 cars,
soarer- pulled up once every 3 months or so
HJ tonner (308 with very little exhaust)- every 3rd time i drive it, 9 times out of 10 they just want to see what shes packing under the skirt.
subaru leone with lift kit, big mud terrains, very loud poppy exhaust- had it a year and never been pulled up and its my daily driver..
As it's been stated black and white all over, its the look of the car and the way you drive it... If they pull you up all the time and you have nothing to hide then they will get the message eventually, if it's the same cop pulling you up cause his cousin was in a car crash in the same type of car as yours... file for harrasment.... |
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