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Peter Taplin
TryHard
Vic
UZZ32 V8 Supercharged & UZZ32 V8 NA
Posts: 137
Reg: 08-2005
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V has a solution to the camera woes but you need to help, join now and be part of the biggest change in road law in 50 years
http://drive-aus.info/ITSALIE/index.php
youtube coming soon look for "V" |
Don Bagnall
Moderator
New Zealand
SLK 230 Kompressor
Posts: 7451
Reg: 05-2005
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I've joined Peter.
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Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
Posts: 2222
Reg: 08-2005
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Huh? |
Peter Taplin
TryHard
Vic
UZZ32 V8 Supercharged & UZZ32 V8 NA
Posts: 139
Reg: 08-2005
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Hi Miles
I have had enough of the cameras the ludicrous speed limits etc etc and in concert with a gentleman I met the a while ago we have decided to do something about it, the forum is the start of that process a place to measure whether enough Australians have had enough of the lies regarding the road toll and speed..
The plan needs a great number of people to work and until we get to critical mass the whole thing is up in the air, we need 100,000 people to agree to fight for the changes that we need. |
Peter Taplin
TryHard
Vic
UZZ32 V8 Supercharged & UZZ32 V8 NA
Posts: 140
Reg: 08-2005
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Thanks Don talk to all your mates and let them all know.. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
Posts: 2223
Reg: 08-2005
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Ah gotcha. I'm in. Just let me know when it's time for the Guy Fawkes mask. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 11316
Reg: 11-2004
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It's probably just me, but that site gives me no idea what it is about. |
Peter Taplin
TryHard
Vic
UZZ32 V8 Supercharged & UZZ32 V8 NA
Posts: 141
Reg: 08-2005
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Hi Peter
I have had a couple of people say the same thing..
Just trying to get peoples attention at this point and trying to be too smart about it I suppose.
I have included a new post that gives people some idea of what we have in mind if we can get to critical mass.
To make the governments hear us we need to make a noise, and stopping the revenue flow is the best way to do it.. legally.
It will require a small financial input from everyone for a fighting fund, then a team of staff to correlate and arrange for FOI requests,send in the relevant paperwork attend court etc.. This can work if enough people want it to.
Once it hits the News and the net properly I hope to hit the numbers very quickly.
At this point I just need feedback and help like yours to point out where we are going wrong in getting the message out.
http://drive-aus.info/ITSALIE/index.php?PHPSESSID=7jgs2t5m7l437rd0tcnbdoinv0&topic=9.0 |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 11324
Reg: 11-2004
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So all this "V" stuff isn't anything to do with the new V series on TV? |
Peter Taplin
TryHard
Vic
UZZ32 V8 Supercharged & UZZ32 V8 NA
Posts: 144
Reg: 08-2005
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mmm no
He has to hide his identity for a while until we have garnered enough support.
So when the youtube video goes up he will be wearing a mask... |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
Posts: 2228
Reg: 08-2005
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Is his video going to be a speech with a lot of v-word alliteration? |
Joe Russell
DieHard
Manawatu
4.0 V8 GT-L (UZZ31)
Posts: 517
Reg: 10-2008
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I'm keen, and have joined, I know I'm from New Zealand and will state that in my profile, however we have the same laws and problems and I'm sick of it. I'm interested in contributing to change Australasia wide. |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31
Posts: 5198
Reg: 10-2005
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If Australia changes, NZ will follow eventually.
I wouldn't even mind the cameras so much except they put them in locations that are not accident spots, not near schools, not anything other than a place they know people speed in because its a long straight road, or a downhill run etc. Then they make statements to the press about them being for road safety, not revenue. If they are going to lie about it, then I am going to resent it. |
Mike Thomas
TryHard
AB
JZZ30-ACPZZ GTTL
Posts: 147
Reg: 09-2007
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so hows this taking shape for you lot  Give'r hell boys! OI OI OI! |
Peter Taplin
TryHard
Vic
UZZ32 V8 Supercharged & UZZ32 V8 NA
Posts: 145
Reg: 08-2005
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We all have stories of poor behaviour by the police and camera's positioned to raise revenue and no other purpose, now we all need to band together because as a group we have power.
They have spent 20 years on this campaign of advertising to exercise a bending of the populations opinion in such a way as too make speed camera's seem reasonable.
We need to reverse this trend and convince people that what they are doing is wrong convince enough people and garner enough support and this can be won. |
Nathan Machin
TryHard
QLD
SC300
Posts: 448
Reg: 06-2009
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Sounds all a bit Bi-Polarish to me guys, vague web sites, no specificity, a mass uprising of the people against the fascist oppressors in power......a masked leader....is it me or is this all a little delusional???? I think theres an easy solution...dont speed and the cameras wont catch you....oh well thats just my thoughts hope i havent pissed off too many people  |
Aiden Cheese
TryHard
QLD
Soarer jzz30
Posts: 340
Reg: 09-2009
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I'll stay on the other side of the fence personally. The only time i've been caught by a camera, was when I was speeding. I honestly think that's pretty fair. |
Peter Taplin
TryHard
Vic
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Posts: 148
Reg: 08-2005
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I respect your right to your opinion and i have a right to mine..
If you have been duped ito believing that driving 3 kph over the speed limit in dangerous and criminal then no-one can help that.
Just as thinking that speed limits that apply during peak hour should be the same as the limits that occur when there is no traffic in the early hours of the morning.
Just as thinking that speed camera's should not be in school zones but on major arterials is sensible.. perhaps you believe that speed cameras on Eastlink save lives?? by issuing fines for driving 3kph over the limit.
Any thinking person when presented with facts will weigh the arguments and look for the holes in what they have been told.
I am not sure where you get bi-polarish (is that even a word)
Vague sure, as we are not ready to show our hand yet, will we get the numbers? maybe maybe not and if it fails it will be because people do not care enough, because people are happy to be led by the nose instead of thinking about the real issues.
Strange that a car built in the early 50's with drum brakes all round can travel at the same speeds as modern cars with ABS brakes, but if you believe the crap they are just as safe. take the insane advert 2 falcons approaching a truck they both brake and one hits the truck because it's going 5 kph faster.. well I hate to tell you compare the modern ford to a morris minor and the morris will hit the truck and still be rolling 500m down the road!
It is blatant revenue raising and it's all a lie.
That is my opinion and I know not everyone will agree, but that is what makes this the right thing to do.
To try and bring together those who do care enough and do something about it.
I have spent the better part of 40 years behind the wheel of a car, in days when there were de-restricted zones that had no speed limit and 100mph was a cruising speed for interstate travel, in cars with drum brakes and poor handling, we learnt to drive to a cars potential not beyond it.
We were taught by our parents to stay left, to flash lights before overtaking, to be polite on the road. Now it seems that the right hand lane is for holding up traffic.
That morons who enter freeways at 70kph or less are to be applauded for driving slowly when in fact they have just caused a pile up 30 cars back down the freeway, yes they are great drivers no accidents for them... but how many have they caused, how many of them have been pulled over by the Police and sent off to a traffic management course.. none!! why? because it does not create revenue.
How about pouring our fine money into a huge training venue, this venue could consist of multiple training tracks for various purposes, one for avoidance of obstacles and pedestrians, one for skid pan, one for advanced skill training, etc etc.. over 100klm of prepared tracks, traffic lights, motorised dummies etc.
Instead of fining a P plater for for some minor infraction (ie: not displaying one P plate) send them off to a course at the new training facility, for more serious offences send people there to help run it rather than fining them and taking their licence and livelihood away.
It should have accommodation for students and school groups.
The offenders who are sent their to work as community service orders could be given the job of helping the younger ones to learn how to drive, of helping to educate them. give these people a sense of responsibility,some respect, a chance to succeed and preform a worthwhile act. Then you will see a more responsible attitude from young drivers.. the same treatment should be meted out to older drivers as well.
I am sure there are people who will find fault with this vision but I believe we can make the roads safer, but not by fining people for driving 3kph over the limit.
I respect those people who can drive within the limits all the time, I am just not one of them, for me driving is a passion,a lifestyle, a huge pleasure and it has been taken away from me, now we spend our time watching speedos instead of the road. We do need to be careful but not just of speed.
Speed is only a factor in 3% of accidents why can we not concentrate on the the other 97% of reasons that cause accidents.
Up until 2007, rural freeways in the Northern Territory, Australia had no speed limit. Claiming that speed limits were essential to saving lives, the state government imposed a 130km/h (80 MPH) limit on the Stuart, Arnhem, Victoria and Barkly highways and a 110km/h (68 MPH) speed limit on all other roads, unless otherwise marked lower. Despite the best of intentions, however, the number of road deaths actually increased 70 percent after the change — despite a drop in traffic levels.
Explain that if you can, because I do not understand it
Well thats my rant for the day..  |
Michael Hames
Tinkerer
QLD
SC300 GT-T, manual
Posts: 6
Reg: 07-2006
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Im with Peter 100% |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 11338
Reg: 11-2004
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Peter Taplin wrote on Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 09:00 am: if it fails it will be because people do not care enough
Or because your method fails to state clearly what your case is, how it is to be achieved etc, and thus doesn't appeal to enough people.
Which I think is the point that Nathan was making.
Adding on bits later to try and bolster your case doesn't help a lot, as you don't get a second chance to make a first impression. |
Peter Taplin
TryHard
Vic
UZZ32 V8 Supercharged & UZZ32 V8 NA
Posts: 149
Reg: 08-2005
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Fair comment Peter
I am no expert at how to do this, and at this point I am trying to work out how to get through to people, how to strike a chord with them.. hopefully on this forum where people know me I can get some support advice etc. If I cant get the support here I probably will not be able to get it anywhere.
I know I probably do not have the skills to make this work but I have to try.. perhaps someone will come along who can put things better and appeal to the masses..
As for how to make it work and suggestions I am all ears. |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31
Posts: 5207
Reg: 10-2005
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If you want to invest some money, my wife is a pretty gun web designer... Plug, plug...
http://www.sharpedesigns.co.nz |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 11340
Reg: 11-2004
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It needs more than just a forum.
The opening page needs to have a clear and concise explanation of what this is all about.
This "V" stuff is all a bit too cloak and dagger, especially in light of the upcoming TV series called "V". Which incidentally, appears to be about trust, loyalty and betrayal which makes it even more unfortunate that you have chosen that handle.
I also think it would be better to target a specific list of sites, rather than a blanket attack on all speed cameras etc.
You need to come across as balanced and reasonable, and right now, I don't think that is so. |
Nathan Machin
TryHard
QLD
SC300
Posts: 449
Reg: 06-2009
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Peter - Bi-polarish isn’t a word it is a term used within the mental health sector (specifically the unit i work in) when referring to something that comes across as delusionary, as in the delusions that is experienced by an individual with bi-polar disorder. The delusions I’m referring to are the delusion that speeding doesn’t kill, that the government are after us to oppress the masses and to force all to conform to their dictatorial ways, that the public are fed propaganda to fund the government’s corrupt activities.
Its not about being duped its about believing what we believe in, I could say the same thing about you Peter….If you have been duped into believing that speed doesn’t kill and it isn’t an offence to break the laws that govern our roads then no-one can help that either. Also the contribution “V” members are asked to provide is similar to the contribution the government are asking you to pay when you take the liberty to drive faster than the speed limit.
Just as you stated "Any thinking person when presented with facts will weigh the arguments and look for the holes in what they have been told". I’m looking at your facts and am seeing the holes. I remember something someone told me a long time ago....if you can get $2 from 100,000 people then I will have $200,000 in my pocket. How is that different to what the government are doing? You say the government “dupe you out of your money when you want to have fun and drive fast, the “V” movement dupes people out there money when they wish to join the “V” movement. In your mind what you are doing is a just and admirable cause, and in the governments mind what they do is a just and admirable cause.
Now the point to all of what I just said was exactly what Pen said above…..if I have been able to find all these counter arguments, if I have been able to question the validity of the movement, if I have been able to link what you are asking others to do with the way the government do things, then others will too…..you don’t just attack the first person that questions your motives and the motives of some mysterious group that is asking for money to join. When you look at it from an external perspective….it is just some bloke that is saying the government is duping us with their facts and reasons for taking money from us, wanting people, 100,000 people, to join a group, hand over money to join the group, with nothing specific explained with a very vague website and mission, to a guy that is hiding his identity and wanting to take on the government just because him and others want to speed.
Its not convincing and as I mentioned at the beginning, it comes across as a tad delusional, you are asking people for money and announcing they want 100,000 people, unless your joining fee is less than $1 or even just $1 then the “movement” will raise a minimum of $100K, how does anyone know that “V” wont just take the money and thank everyone for paying off his house???? The “cause” doesn’t specify much at all. There needs to be a lot more convincing than just saying the government are fascist oppressors, that was done to death with the hippies and in recent times the conspiracy theorists.
I think a lot more work needs to be done to validate this “cause”, good luck with it Peter because just saying you like to speed and the gov stops you from doing that is not a good enough reason to allow people to speed...there are so many other arguments I could bring forward but I think I have pissed on enough as it is hehe. This isn’t an attack on you personally Peter just a very long reply and hopefully to show you anyone can find holes in anything anyone says but it doesn’t mean the argument is right.
Cheers mate |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
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Posts: 2260
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Gettin high on your own supply ? |
Peter Taplin
TryHard
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Posts: 150
Reg: 08-2005
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When you look at the stats you can see a picture.
speed is only a factor in 3% of accidents.
in a large percentage of those speed was 50kph or more over the limit.
97% of accidents occur at or below the speed limit.
So perhaps you can explain how you would like to see the current deaths on our roads addressed ? I would like to hear your thoughts as at least you have had the convictions to post, whether or not I agree with you.
Speed cameras are a revenue raising exercise nothing more..
A recent poll of the Police Force revealed a large percentage of them believed speed cameras are revenue raising not road toll reducers.
"because just saying you like to speed and the gov stops you from doing that is not a good enough reason to allow people to speed"
People keep using the word speed as if it means more than just the rate of travel.
I want to travel at a speed cognisant of the road conditions, time of day, traffic, etc.
We have roads capable of handling speeds in excess of 140kph safely yet we are limited to 100, 110 kph.
As for the funds I am sure, once the numbers have been reached that a way of protecting the funds and ensuring they are used for the job intended can be found.
As for delusional, maybe, but I believe there is a better way than having over 2 million Victorians within 3 points of loosing their licences of 2.6 million outstanding warrants for speeding fines/parking fines/toll fines in Victoria alone. Of taking peoples licences way for only displaying 1 P plate.
I believe that training and giving our young drivers responsibility will have a greater effect on the road toll of our young drivers than draconian enforcement measures.
I believe in a better world where people care for each other rather than hate, where drivers will have respect and understanding, where road rage is a thing of the past. Where drivers keep to the left lane..
Yes ok maybe you will see that as delusional, but for me I want to be a part of the change and if I can help to save just one life, to give one young person a sense of his own self worth to make him think before taking that drink of alcohol and getting behind the wheel of a car, then killing himself and his mates then I will try to help get this off the ground.
Is there enough info yet .. no .. informed comment, questions etc will all help to pull this very young and not yet formed movement into a viable and living entity that can make a difference.
Not everyone will agree, some will find fault, some will be angry for even trying to sort the speed camera issue out. The plethora of bad legislation that should be repealed will take time and persistence to resolve.
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"The delusions I’m referring to are the delusion that speeding doesn’t kill, that the government are after us to oppress the masses and to force all to conform to their dictatorial ways, that the public are fed propaganda to fund the government’s corrupt activities."
Interesting comment.. I believe that "inappropriate speed can kill"
I do not believe that driving 5 kph over the government designated speed limit on Eastlink is dangerous under the right conditions.
I also believe that driving at 100kph along Eastlink under the wrong conditions could kill you.
They expect you to drive along Eastlink at a rate of travel cognisant of the conditions.
So why have a max speed that is so inappropriate for the road at certain times of day.
Have you a opinion on why 100kph is safer than 110 or 120
Or why on our interstate corridors at 3am in the morning we are restricted to a mind numbing 100-110 kph, that puts us to sleep and kills us.
These are some of the questions that need answers. |
Grant Rowan
TryHard
QLD
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Posts: 497
Reg: 02-2006
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I agree with what you are saying Peter. Change can only come when people join together and stand up for what they believe in. That’s the beauty of living in a democracy; we the people can hold the government to accountability.
I watched a documentary on the autobahn the other day. And the philosophy of the German automotive authority is a polar opposite of ours. Yes they do have police cars with radar etc. But they spend 4 times the amount per 1km of road then the US does on their road infrastructure (Our roads are worse then the US!).
We already have cars that can safely travel much faster than 110kmph. The poor quality roads are the main problem.
I would be happy if 100% of speed camera revenue went straight into building better roads and all speed limit signs where upgraded to LED signs that can be updated on the fly to suit the road conditions (Rain, smog, accidents etc.). |
Joe Russell
DieHard
Manawatu
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Posts: 529
Reg: 10-2008
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Interesting ideas Grant, a friend of mine recently said the same things. It seems that the roads and road related objects(signs, barriers, paint, what-have-you) are lagging a little behind the times, and that is an issue that needs to be addressed.
Many roads are suitable for more accurate speed limits to be introduced-in fact, it's idiocy not to.
Be that slower or faster.
When it comes to speed camera revenue being used to pay for things like roads, which they make their money off, it makes sense, however, that could cause the situation to worsen-imagine speed cameras being justified because they pay for the road they are put on, and the lower the speed limit the more tickets are produced, the more money for roads they have... etc.
"Speed" cameras, especially hidden ones(which are the main type we have here in NZ) do not help reduce the speed in an area until they are seen, or known about.
On an 80km/h downhill section of one of the few three lane sections of state highway one, that is very well maintained, with the camera on at all hours of the day and night?
Revenue, pure and simple.
Out side a school, clearly marked, at times when kids are likely to be walking around(and I mean young kids-primary to intermediate age) it's probably a good way to reduce kids getting run over, which I myself have never seen or heard of, and having attended seven schools in the Wellington area, all near main roads, I'd call that a fairly qualified statement.
How often do pedestrians get hit I wonder, and how often are there near hits?
The only time I've ever seen or been close to it the faults were inattention, and usually on the pedestrians part.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I've just never seen it.
I've seen quite a few vehicle related accidents,
been in a couple, and the one that had a contributing factor of speed was more driver experience and reaction, than speeds fault.
Yet the police put it down to speeding.
Ok, end rant for a bit |
Aiden Cheese
TryHard
QLD
Soarer jzz30
Posts: 353
Reg: 09-2009
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I think this is one of those things, there is a speed limit and you don't like it. But rather than change what limit is safe on streets, you've decided to rally a mass ban on speed cameras?
The end of the day, it sounds to me you are using this argument: I could walk through the city with a gun in my pocket and say "Its not dangerous because I'm not pulling the trigger. Only 3% of deaths are caused by guns in australia. Having a gun on me doesn't affect the likely hood of someone to die."
But honestly, isn't it just easier to follow the speed limit?
Rage against a machine which actually is causing problems.
Like the fact that your site is likely to be filtered under the internet censorship laws and mandatory ISP filtering.
Edit: Specifically - can you say why you don't like travelling the speed limit?
Fines and demeit points wrote on http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/Home/Safety/Road/Speeding/Speeding_fines_and_demerit_points, February 23, 2010 - 01:35 pm: * Less than 13 kilometres per hour (km/h) over the speed limit:
A$133 + one demerit point.
* At least 13 km/h but not more than 20 km/h over the speed limit:
A$200 + three demerit points.
* More than 20 km/h but not more than 30 km/h over the speed limit:
A$333 + four demerit points.
* More than 30 km/h but not more than 40 km/h over the speed limit:
A$466 + six demerit points.
* More than 40 km/h over the speed limit:
A$933 + eight demerit points and six month suspension.
If you are going OVER the LIMIT by 12km/h in an average 60kph zone, if you are exceeding the limit by 20% you get fined only $133 dollars and a single slap on the wrist point.
Even if you only speed a little bit, there is so little revenue generated it couldn't pay a days worth of my wage. It doesn't even really punish you if you have made a mistake.
Lets think about this in another perspective. They raise the speed limit for a second, a 60 zone becomes 70 zone. A truck is running down the same road, and its pouring rain. he's now doing another 10kph than what he was doing.
One of the safest ways to drive is to follow traffic speed. Even in a 100 zone, you do traffic speed if its only moving at 40kph. In other words, all traffic should be moving more or less at a similar speed to avoid accidents.
So therefore the speed limit must be designed to cater for the slowest person. And the fastest people should learn some patience. |
Joe Russell
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Manawatu
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Posts: 532
Reg: 10-2008
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Ok Aiden, lets try it your way. you say we should go the speed of the slowest person, and learn patience.
The average baby stroller travels at around 3-4km/h, and they do so on a sidewalk protected only by a kerb, and in some places, not even that!
They could be hit by a car that veers onto the sidewalk, so, in the interests of safety, any roads with sidewalks should be 5km/h to avoid accidents.
Anyone traveling in their car is being selfish if they want to go faster, and not taking into account the serious danger that mother and baby are in.
So they will be fined if the go 2km/h over the speed limit, and we will have cops and/or speed cameras on every corner we need to until this is achieved.
That'd save lives, right Aiden?
Right, now that I've pissed you off(or, hopefully, made you laugh), check out the site-it's not completely against cameras, if they were used responsibly and proven to be effective and useful, rather than just revenue gatherers.
What's wrong with this road that was 60km/h and is now 70km/h? It's raining and there is a truck?
Cool! Your point? |
Peter Taplin
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I think the point is being a little missed here..
I am not against speed limits..
I am not against speed cameras
read the posts.. speed cameras have their place in society, they are just being used wrongly and in the wrong places. Go catch some moron doing 80k's in a 60 zone in heavy traffic not some poor guy going home from work at 2am 7k's over the limit.
Traffic will always find the most comfortable speed based on numerous things.. a speed limit of 60kph does not mean it's safe to travel at 60kph just that that is the legislated highest speed allowed.
Lets take a shopping strip with a 60kph speed limit is it safe to drive down it when the traffic levels are high pedestrians are about, children are walking around etc etc... of course not..
Take the same road at 3am no cars no foot traffic same speed limit.. why? the camera still flashes and the you still get a ticket @65kph
Who in his right mind would suggest it's unsafe to travel @ that speed at that time of day.. when it's legal to drive @60kph which is way to fast for the conditions on a busy day on the same strip of road.
This is just plain insane.
They expect you drive at a slower speed for the conditions @ the time.. so why not faster when the conditions allow or more to the point allow a greater tolerance during low risk times.
Texas Bans Speed Cameras!
May 23, 2007 by Alborz Fallah
Laws passed in the States have usually never made us sit up and take notice but when we heard the good news, we couldn’t help but to smile.
The people of Texas have finally stood up and had their way. The Texas state legislature gave final approval yesterday to a bill banning speed cameras and requiring red light camera warning signs.
Finally a sign of some good sense returning to the speed camera debate..
The government should not lie to the population and it has.
speed on it's own does not cause accidents driving too fast for condition might..
As for filtering the site, they have a long way to go before they can do that and I would have thought freedom of speech would allow me to voice my opinion.
As for the so little revenue raised you have got to be joking.. 2.6 million outstanding warrants in Victoria estimated to be worth $520,000,000.00
wish I had that small amount of money.. LOL
So bringing freeways to a standstill because someone who has little or no driving skill and is travelling @ 60kph on the Hume Freeway ( and I have seen it) should then constitute a reason to restrict the speed to 60kph... thats just silly.
Why not remove the slower driver, re-educate and train the driver to travel at a responsible speed for the road and conditions.. why is there this need to drive peoples skill levels down instead of up??
This is all about reversing 20 years of government brain washing of the population to believe that speed kills above anything else..
They are wrong and dishonest ... lots of things kill on our roads and they do nothing about them.. they just revenue raise on the deaths of our kids and families and I have had enough.
Lets lift the skill levels, lets empower people to be better at driving in all it's forms..
Lets provide a place for people skills to be tested and training provided, there is no facility like the one I am suggesting and we need one.. not some time in the future but now.
Lets not forget that it's not the speed limits that have bought down the road toll its better brakes, air-bags, active stability control, better roads etc etc... most of these are designed to compensate for poor driving skills..
The road toll is also being artificially altered by reporting requirements being deliberately set to massage the results.
dont believe me? check out the TAC website and try to run a report on the last 10 years accident results.. |
Peter Taplin
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Vic
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FYI
Missouri to Ban Speed Cameras 2009
Only three lawmakers in the entire Mississippi state Legislature are willing to put themselves on record in support of red light cameras and speed cameras. Without opposition, the state Senate passed legislation yesterday that would put an immediate halt to the plans of several municipalities interested in implementing new photo ticketing programs. The vote followed last month’s 117-3 passage of a similar ban in the state House. State senators, however, did not believe that the House language went far enough.
The legislation was amended to take effect immediately rather than wait until July 2009 as the state House had voted to do.
The Senate would also give Columbus and Jackson until October 1 to tell Redflex Traffic Systems and American Traffic Solutions (ATS), the private vendors operating the programs, to pack their bags and take down the systems currently in operation. The Senate legislation explicitly forbids counties and municipalities like McComb, Natchez, Southaven and Tupelo from adopting or enforcing any ordinance allowing automated enforcement.
The bill now returns to the state House. Under that chamber’s rules, if 117 representatives vote to accept the revisions, the bill goes straight to Governor Haley Barbour (R) for his signature and enactment.
Otherwise, Speaker of the House William J. McCoy (D-Alcorn) will appoint three members to a conference committee that will work out compromise language with three senators appointed by Lieutenant Governor Phil Bryant (R). The compromise product, known as the conference report, would then come up for an up-or-down vote in both chambers under expedited procedures.
Upon Barbour’s signature, Mississippi would join Alaska, Arkansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Nevada, Utah, West Virginia and Wisconsin which have also banned automated citations through judicial or legislative action. A similar ban passed the Montana state House of Representatives last month and currently awaits Senate action. An attempt to ban cameras in Missouri ran into a roadblock in a state Senate committee. |
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http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/news/headlines/5011166.Call_to_bring_back_speed_cameras_in_Swindon/
This link is to an interesting article in the UK the UK is slowly phasing out speed cameras because they do not reduce the road toll.
Read the comment at the bottom and you will see the depth of peoples resentment to speed cameras and the way in which they are used. There are also insightful comments regarding some statistical facts from the UK. |
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UK Government is finally realising that the time for speed cameras is up and that they have failed to achieve any appreciable result.. in fact the injury toll according to the government statisticians suggest that things are getting worse when using data provided by hospitals and not the police... as I have said before the Police are skewing the stats to achieve a biased result in the cameras favour..
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Speed camera safety record in doubt as watchdog questions statistics
by RAY MASSEY
Last updated at 22:00 24 September 2006
Speed camera policy was drawn into a new controversy after the Government's own statisticians cast doubt on the accuracy of official casualty figures.
Statistics watchdogs warned that the decade of greatest speed-camera growth had not seen a massive reduction in deaths and injuries. Instead it had remained largely static and was now going up.
Figures from hospitals suggest the true rate of death and serious injury could be half as many again as the number claimed by the Government which prefers to use lower figures provided by the police.
But some studies go even further and suggest the true scale of the carnage could be double the level made public by the Government - undermining the road-safety justification for cameras and humps.
The discrepancies led to angry claims last night (Sun) that ministers were seeking to 'sex up' their statistics with 'dodgy' figures in a bid to justify their controversial 'cash for cameras' policy.
The row came as campaigners urged a new crackdown on young 'rogue' drivers - seen by many as the real lethal menace on British roads - by extending the age at which a learner may gain a full licence to 18.
Speed cameras can't catch these 'rogues' but police patrols which could stop them have been axed, they note.
Support for a minimum one year probationary period and tougher sentencing has been spearheaded by bereaved mother Elizabeth Davidson - whose 26 year old doctor daughter Margaret was killed by a speeding teenager.
The shocking new evidence comes as ministers are set this Thursday to announce another 'fall' in the number of people killed and seriously injured to around 32,200 - down from 34,000 in 2004 and 47,000 decade ago.
They will again claim that the proliferation of speed cameras - fining drivers £60 a time and adding three points on their licence - has played a central role in this alleged reduction.
But critics and now Government statisticians say the figures are 'flawed' because police are 'under-reporting' the figures. So instead of ministers hitting targets on casualty reduction, the Government will miss them by a country mile.
Police 'rely too much on raising cash'
Motoring groups say police relied too much on cash-raising speed cameras which are unable to spot a dangerous, drunk, uninsured, or untaxed driver in an unroadworthy or stolen vehicle who is driving under the speed limit.
Last year 6,000 speed cameras caught more than 2 million motorists, raising £120m a year for so-called 'Safety Camera Partnerships' comprising police, magistrates councils and road safety groups.
At the same time there has been an 11 per cent cut in police patrols.
Doubts over the Government's shaky accident figures were raised by the watchdog Statistics Commission. A briefing note voiced 'particular concern' that the Government is using the lesser police statistics to measure whether it is meeting its target for a 40 per cent reduction by 2010 in the numbers killed and seriously injured in road accidents.
The Office of National Statistics said that the National Statistician Karen Dunhill had 'expressed her concern' over the issue.
Latest police figures suggest that about 59.4 people per 100,000 are killed or seriously injured - down from 85.9 per 100,000 a decade ago.
But figures based on hospital admissions have remained broadly constant over the period at about 90 per 100,000 are killed or seriously injured.
A study by Oxford University researchers - published in the British Medical Journal - said hospital admission rates from traffic injuries had remained virtually unchanged between 1996 and 2004, but had risen slightly in 2004 from 90 per 100,000 to 91.1 per 100,000.
A separate study by University College London and Swansea University called 'Under-reporting of Road Casualties' said the number seriously injured could be double the number recorded in police statistics, blaming 'misclassifying or misrecording' of injuries.
Paul Smith of road safety group Safe Speed said:'So now we see the truth. The roads are not getting safer. Government road safety policy is being sexed-up by dodgy statistics.
'The Department for Transport must immediately pull the plug on the failed and dangerous speed camera programme.' |
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I have to say I don't have any issues with red light cameras - not that we really have any in NZ, but we bloody well should as its shocking the risks people take at busy intersections.
I do think they should only operate between say, 6am and 9pm, as there are a lot of intersections around where though very busy and dangerous at rush hour, driving late at night you can sit for ages at a red right turn arrow or similar for no good reason as there is not another car in sight.
If you can use your discression you can turn safely against the light - if there is a 24 hour camera there, then too bad, you have to sit until the lights change or cop a fine. |
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L agree with you Matthew red light cameras are a great idea and they seem to work with none of the issues revenue cameras have.
It is too easy to speed up through an amber light and it is a bad habit we should all be aware of.
As for being able to do a turn against the lights at certain times, I know in the UK you could always do a left hand turn against a red light if it was safe.. that was 20+years ago so it may have changed by now. |
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I think the governments of both our countries would get WAY MORE revenue from Red Light camera installations, than they will ever get from so called Speed cameras..............AND they would actually be using them in a TRUE safety role, and couldn't be called revenue gathering..........They'd get my vote! 
Sorry for the thread segway Peter  |
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I believe speed cameras increase accidents. Have you ever been behind someone who has slammed on the brakes to avoid the camera, conversely have you ever slammed the brakes?
I have done one or the other.
I use a radar detector which stops me from fines. If anyone wants one, PM me as I can get them at wholesale price.
Also I have joined |
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