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Don Bagnall
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Friday, March 05, 2010 - 04:05 pm, by: Don Bagnall (Baggs)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyJSKzhMBU4

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Friday, March 05, 2010 - 04:24 pm, by: Kadir Hussein (Khuss888)

Wow, you can really see the weight transfer when turning at speed.. I would love to have a translation.

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Friday, March 05, 2010 - 05:39 pm, by: Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt)

Good Comparison.

The Eunos Cosmo is an awesome car, would love to get one.

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Friday, March 05, 2010 - 11:54 pm, by: Steven Anderson (Cusscuss)

dam drunk drivers!

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Saturday, March 06, 2010 - 08:57 am, by: Aaron Casey (Blownminiturbo)

haha would have helped heaps out the corners if the soarer had an lsd. just wheelspins haha and would be awesome to know what they are talking about can anyone translate it?

Matthew Sharpe
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Saturday, March 06, 2010 - 11:44 am, by: Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt)

Presumably a 20B Cosmo? If so hardly fair on the drag test! Actually I'm surprised it was so close!

If they went around the track a few times the Soarer would have won, as the Cosmo would have had to stop for gas again, and again, and again...

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Saturday, March 06, 2010 - 03:46 pm, by: Mike Beck (Gold_40gt)

Nice clip.

I should have learnt Japanese.

The Soarer is really in its element with high speed driving like that.

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Saturday, March 06, 2010 - 04:25 pm, by: Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt)

Yes the 20b Cosmo is fast, will about always beat the Soarer down the 1/4. The 13b Cosmo would be a bit slower though.

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Sunday, March 07, 2010 - 10:28 am, by: Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt)

More power in a probably lighter car. Of course the 20B fails in economy, refinement and reliability, and the Cosmo is pretty average looking, so the Soarer is still going to be the better GT. Pleased to see it was so very close on both the drag and the track.

Funny how the drivers kept reaching for the gear leaver!

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Sunday, March 07, 2010 - 02:17 pm, by: Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt)

The cosmo is less shaky around the track, plus their fuel economy isn't that bad when driven normally, it's only when you stomp on it that rotaries drink.

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Sunday, March 07, 2010 - 06:08 pm, by: Damian Ware (Frozenpod)

Matthew Sharpe wrote on Sunday, March 07, 2010 - 10:28 am:
Funny how the drivers kept reaching for the gear leaver!

?????

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Monday, March 08, 2010 - 05:42 am, by: Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt)

Still with the K's I do, I'd be replacing the apex seals yearly - bugger that.

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Monday, March 08, 2010 - 05:45 am, by: Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt)

Damian Ware wrote on Sunday, March 07, 2010 - 06:08 pm:
?????

Watch from 5:30 - drivers keep reaching down to the gear selector even though both cars are autos - perfect example of conditioned response!

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Monday, March 08, 2010 - 06:18 am, by: Mike Beck (Gold_40gt)

Matthew Sharpe wrote on Sunday, March 07, 2010 - 10:28 am:
More power in a probably lighter car. Of course the 20B fails in economy, refinement and reliability, and the Cosmo is pretty average looking, so the Soarer is still going to be the better GT. Pleased to see it was so very close on both the drag and the track.

I agree, they are a typical Mazda Eunos, an attempt at a refined vehicle but don't really hit the money that well. God knows why they went for a Rotary... stupid in my opinion.

The TT Soarer they tested is just better on all levels, bit of a no brainier to what is better.

Matthew Sharpe wrote on Sunday, March 07, 2010 - 10:28 am:
Funny how the drivers kept reaching for the gear leaver! :-)

haha, I saw that too, guess they are so used to manuals?

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Monday, March 08, 2010 - 08:50 am, by: Damian Ware (Frozenpod)

Matthew Sharpe wrote on Monday, March 08, 2010 - 05:45 am:
drivers keep reaching down to the gear selector even though both cars are autos - perfect example of conditioned response!

Look closer, they are not just reaching down but manually shifting the auto.

Perfect example of how to be in complete control of the vehicle.

The driver of the mazda is overdriving it and going slower than the car is capable of, I think you will find it would actually be a notch faster than a soarer both in stock form around a race track either way not a great deal in it.

Matthew Sharpe wrote on Monday, March 08, 2010 - 05:42 am:
Still with the K's I do, I'd be replacing the apex seals yearly - bugger that.

How many kms a year do you do. Apex seals have a life of anywhere from 100,000 to 300,000km pending on how well the engine is looked after.

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Tuesday, March 09, 2010 - 06:37 am, by: Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt)

Damian Ware wrote on Monday, March 08, 2010 - 08:50 am:
Look closer, they are not just reaching down but manually shifting the auto.

Was hard to tell with the image being so blurry, but with the headphones on you can hear the car shift so you are right.

Damian Ware wrote on Monday, March 08, 2010 - 08:50 am:
How many kms a year do you do. Apex seals have a life of anywhere from 100,000 to 300,000km pending on how well the engine is looked after.

Maybe possible to get to 100,000 on a N/A rotary without cracking it open, but my workmates turbo 13B was every 30-40,000KM. Admittedly he drove it pretty hard, but he also took very good care of it. I'm around 35,000 a year at the moment. I've never heard of a rotory of any make or model making 300,000KM without new apex seals - probably possible if you drive it like a nana and service it every weekend though.

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Tuesday, March 09, 2010 - 09:57 am, by: Damian Ware (Frozenpod)

Matthew Sharpe wrote on Tuesday, March 09, 2010 - 06:37 am:
Maybe possible to get to 100,000 on a N/A rotary without cracking it open, but my workmates turbo 13B was every 30-40,000KM. Admittedly he drove it pretty hard, but he also took very good care of it. I'm around 35,000 a year at the moment. I've never heard of a rotory of any make or model making 300,000KM without new apex seals - probably possible if you drive it like a nana and service it every weekend though.

Plenty of rotary fans that will argue that point.

I know of guys that have highly modified Rx7 with turbo engines that regularly do track work and have engines last considerably longer than that.

My uncle's RX3 had a very hard life don't know exactly how many kms (he had it from new and sold it a few years back) but the car was completely worn out and the only good part left was the engine. He used to rev it beyond the rpm warning which was about 11,000pm and when he changed gears the revs were still above the rpm warning estimated around 14,000pm gear changes.

The only down side to a mazda is the cost of parts, their prices for common service and replacement parts are 4-5 times as much as Toyota, Nissan, Holden ect.

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Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 06:18 am, by: Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt)

He was a fussy bugger - first sign of reduction in compression and it was tear the motor down and replace all the seals. Also had a turbo timer with a ridiculous delay on it. He'd park in the car park, come up the stairs, log into the network, get his coffee, and the damn thing would still be farting away in the car park.

I guess the lack of experienced rotary experts would be another problem. Most common garages wouldn't want to touch them. Mind you, seems that you guys in Aussie get that problem with any Jap import anyway.

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Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 09:09 am, by: Damian Ware (Frozenpod)

Matthew Sharpe wrote on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 06:18 am:
first sign of reduction in compression and it was tear the motor down and replace all the seals

A little beyond my knowledge but I was under the impression that the seals would work perfectly then fail suddenly so no slight drop in performance but I could be wrong.

For performance applications there are better seals they are slightly more expensive than the orginals and have proven to be reliable with massive amounts of HP, track work.

What kills the seals is heat get them too hot even a little bit just once and they will be stuffed.