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Tim Eacott
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Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 11:01 am, by: Tim Eacott (Timme)

http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0,20384,18082680-5002663,00.html

Interesting read...

Brad Elphinstone
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Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 12:15 pm, by: Brad Elphinstone (Belphins)

Toyota Australia is a joke. When are they going to release something locally that Aussie Toyota fans can be proud of?

Sure they've got good options for those who wish to ferry kids about, or go off-road, but other than that their line-up is so...... boring.

Simon Triantafillou
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Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 01:35 pm, by: Simon Triantafillou (Soarer)

Aurion is 9 spokes... Soarer is 10 isn't it?

David Vaughan
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Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 02:53 pm, by: David Vaughan (Davidv)

Clearly, you could describe the Aurion is being a spoke short of a Soarer

Don Bagnall
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Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 05:01 pm, by: Don Bagnall (Baggs)

Definitely "Two throbs, short of an Erection" at least.......David

Jason Kingsmill
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Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 05:15 pm, by: Jason Kingsmill (Jason_k)

Haha, that, and much more I'd say David

They really have to look at why people are going for commodores and falcons.
They are large for the family, neutral styling, can easily tow a boat/van, are relatively cheap, and I suppose they have a lot of history also. People that buy them are generally pretty ignorant when it comes to mechanicals, excepting engine displacement/cylinders and drive wheels(RWD/FWD).

If Toyota want to compete, they need something that is of a similar platform.
They NEED RWD! Let's face it. A lot of commodore drivers buy them for the fact that they can tow, and fairly well at that. FWD cars, despite what some people will try to believe, just can't tow heavy loads safely. Unless you spend a LOT of money on haymond reece style hitches etc.. they are useless.

Mitsubishi have done the same with the 380. Fan-bloody-tastic car, except FWD. They are in the right price range, have all the right features, but no RWD. I do believe that's what is killing the sales of the 380, but it *might* have something to do with reputation, also.

Meh, they have their reasons for doing it this way I suppose....I just can't see the logic.

David Vaughan
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Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 06:19 pm, by: David Vaughan (Davidv)

Sounds like a good point to me Jason

Khalid Sarwari
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Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 06:22 pm, by: Khalid Sarwari (1jzspeed)

and plus they can do burn outs for those ocur can eaters that just buy them cuz they do burn outs man burn outs are made man. "now where is my VB can"

Ben Evans
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Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 07:45 pm, by: Ben Evans (Sbyder)

Stuff this aurion cr@p, i want MkV Supra!!!

Ian Johnston
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Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 09:06 pm, by: Ian Johnston (Ted)

Actually, I dont mind the look of it. Better looking than the Mitso 380.
Rear end of Sportiva with twin pipes looks good.
Even though I am not a FWD fan, the reliability of FWD these days is excellent.
Unfortunately, Soarers are not made anymore, so we may not have much choice in the future but to go to FWD.

Peter Nitschke
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Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 09:12 pm, by: Peter Nitschke (Pen)

SC-430 is still made. If you like boats.

Don Bagnall
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Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 09:21 pm, by: Don Bagnall (Baggs)

"We all live in a Yellow submarine, A yellow submarine"

Brad Elphinstone
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Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 09:38 pm, by: Brad Elphinstone (Belphins)

Heheh.... funny calling the SC430 a boat, on a forum full of soarer owners.

Benny Gammelmark
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Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 11:28 pm, by: Benny Gammelmark (Oldfield)

SC430 is made purely for bling, so it's a boat.

Matthew Sharpe
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Friday, February 10, 2006 - 06:44 am, by: Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt)

Actually, in the flesh its a good looking car - it just doesnt photograph well (unlike the SC300/400)

David Vaughan
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Friday, February 10, 2006 - 10:21 am, by: David Vaughan (Davidv)

Maybe, but it still drives like a boat.

Daniel Czechowski
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Friday, February 10, 2006 - 12:05 pm, by: Daniel Czechowski (Dan)

I can't stand the rear end of the SC430. The fugliest rear end (not counting the AU falcon) I've seen so far on a late model car.

Yeah I agree with the RWD preference. It is the best end to drive the wheels. All the sports car (ferrari, lambo) and premium luxury (mercs, beemers) manufacturers can't be wrong can they? Who wouldn't like to fishtail on purpose a little bit every now and then. Both types turn a corner differently, and RWD is the most enjoyable way to do it. Oz Toyota should realise that there's a market full of passionate people that happen to have a basic set of rules when it comes to a car which it must have, and where no matter what else you add to the car, if it doesn't tick those basic boxes, it won't be chosen. For example, I liked the look of the FTO first time I saw it. When I found out it was a FWD, forget it then. Simple.

Damien Smith
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Friday, February 10, 2006 - 12:56 pm, by: Damien Smith (Damien)

I've no doubt that as soon as they lock up the bean counters and produce a RWD car they'll have a winner. Unfortunately it's cheaper to produce a FWD car as the assembly is simpler.

Daniel Czechowski
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Friday, February 10, 2006 - 01:16 pm, by: Daniel Czechowski (Dan)

True, but then you charge more for the car to recoup the costs. Why do you think a RWD commie or falcon is more expensive than a FWD camry or magna/380 or whatever. People obviously will pay a premium for it.

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Friday, February 10, 2006 - 01:22 pm, by: Peter Nitschke (Pen)

Except people are not so keen to pay more these days, plus with higher fuel costs, the small FWD is grabbing the market.

Damien Smith
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Friday, February 10, 2006 - 01:22 pm, by: Damien Smith (Damien)

True - which shows how dopey Mitsubishi and Toyota have been

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Friday, February 10, 2006 - 01:33 pm, by: Peter Nitschke (Pen)

I don't think anyone could have predicted how the oil companies would exploit the various hurricane etc drama's last year though. Mobil-Exxon posted a US49-Billion dollar profit for example. Bad timing for the 380, but Holden have also closed their brand new 3rd shift and then posted a loss for the year due to a drop in their bigger car sales. You might have also seen the promo's about the "Last Monaro" being auctioned off for charity.

As far as I know, Toyota are doing OK due to the big numbers of small to medium cars being sold.

Historically high fuel prices hit big car sales, then the hype dies down and sales take off again. Example being the flood of big SUVs and 4WDs (that we all detest) on the roads in recent years, the previous fuel crisis all but forgotten.

It's possible that Toyota might get lucky and the current fuel hype will have taken a back seat around the time they actually get their new bigger cars into the market here.

Peter Nitschke
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Friday, February 10, 2006 - 01:35 pm, by: Peter Nitschke (Pen)

Adding to that, here we are all buying 15yo s/h cheap imports then trying to tell the manufacturers that they would be successful if they introduced cars to suit OUR taste, which we wouldn't buy new anyway.

Damien Smith
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Friday, February 10, 2006 - 01:48 pm, by: Damien Smith (Damien)

All good points but we wouldn't buy commodores or falcons either and they seem to be everywhere.

Brad Elphinstone
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Friday, February 10, 2006 - 02:08 pm, by: Brad Elphinstone (Belphins)

Don't know if fuel and car size is a reasonable excuse when there's been talk of bringing over the new Landcruiser FJ concept.

I think they just don't like good all-round sports cars.

Edit:

Having said that, they probably don't feel the need to bring anything truly sporty over because they're doing well enough with what they've got.

Daniel Czechowski
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Friday, February 10, 2006 - 02:15 pm, by: Daniel Czechowski (Dan)

Peter, I disagree with you. Ok, simple scenario. If I was married with say 2 or 3 kids, I'd need a second car, for the family coz Soarer won't do. (I'd still keep my soarer though) Now what are my options then? I want a RWD car, and I would be willing to sacrifice build quality to get a RWD car. Therefore I would buy a Falcon or (god forbid) a commodore over a camry for example. Keep in mind all those cars have similar power to weight ratio, similar size engines, and have similar dimensions to accomodate the family. Only difference is the drive. Now I bet if Toyota or Mitsubishi did RWD versions of their cars, they would definately steal more sales off commodores and falcons. It's not just us Soarerlites that have passion for cars, but also the average Joe Blow as well, who just happens to have 3 kids to transport and enough money just for one car like that. And in regards to the fuel usage, RWD or FWD what's the difference, if the car and engine is the same size???

Peter Nitschke
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Friday, February 10, 2006 - 02:22 pm, by: Peter Nitschke (Pen)

Daniel, my points are pretty generalised and don't apply to everyone of course

Colin Kirkpatrick
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Friday, February 10, 2006 - 02:37 pm, by: Colin Kirkpatrick (Colin)

Forget the front wheel drive or rear wheel drive,
lets go all wheel drive, then this would keep us all happy.

Daniel Czechowski
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Friday, February 10, 2006 - 02:45 pm, by: Daniel Czechowski (Dan)

Heheh it's all good Peter.

Colin, I got a better idea. Forget all wheels altogether! I'm waiting for some brainiac to invent a hovercraft (like the hoverboard in back to the future)!!! Then again, you can forget about burnouts etc...

Colin Kirkpatrick
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Friday, February 10, 2006 - 02:58 pm, by: Colin Kirkpatrick (Colin)

Daniel then burnouts would come as blowouts!

Brad Elphinstone
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Friday, February 10, 2006 - 03:07 pm, by: Brad Elphinstone (Belphins)

Crown Majesta Colin?

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Friday, February 10, 2006 - 03:29 pm, by: Colin Kirkpatrick (Colin)

Yes Brad Nice if Toyota sold it here!
Neil find a way to pimp one of them out.

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Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 11:37 pm, by: Phil Gibson (Sciflyer)

Daniel Czechowski wrote on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 02:15 pm:
Peter, I disagree with you. Ok, simple scenario. If I was married with say 2 or 3 kids, I'd need a second car, for the family coz Soarer won't do. (I'd still keep my soarer though) Now what are my options then? I want a RWD car, and I would be willing to sacrifice build quality to get a RWD car. Therefore I would buy a Falcon or (god forbid) a commodore over a camry for example. Keep in mind all those cars have similar power to weight ratio, similar size engines, and have similar dimensions to accomodate the family. Only difference is the drive. Now I bet if Toyota or Mitsubishi did RWD versions of their cars, they would definately steal more sales off commodores and falcons. It's not just us Soarerlites that have passion for cars, but also the average Joe Blow as well, who just happens to have 3 kids to transport and enough money just for one car like that. And in regards to the fuel usage, RWD or FWD what's the difference, if the car and engine is the same size???

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