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Adam Sanders
TryHard
NSW
V8

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Monday, November 27, 2006 - 12:33 am, by:  Adam Sanders (Abz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was just wondering why are celsiors so problem free whilst soarers seem to have multiple problems?

Is it the TT soarers only which require alot of money or could it be that alot of soarers have been thrashed in japan.

I would assume LS400S and soarers are made to the same quality it is just how they have been kept?
Peter Nitschke
JunkFilterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8

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Monday, November 27, 2006 - 04:08 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Possibly we are talking a LOT more Soarers in the country (and on the forum) for starters, and they tend to be driven differently.

TT's are in a different category again because they attract people for the turbo rush, and no point having it if you don't use it.

Plus they get modded up a lot more.

Most Celsiors are reasonably stock, most V8 Soarers are also close to stock, maybe wheels, exhaust, chip etc. But from reading Soarer Central, a lot of TT's have significant power mods, which increases the problem potential both in terms of fitting the mods and then in terms of something breaking.

Overall though, on a numbers basis, I don't think there would be much difference between stock versions.
Mark Paddick
Goo Roo
ACT
UZZ31 V8 Soarer , JZZ30 TT Soarer

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Monday, November 27, 2006 - 04:52 am, by:  Mark Paddick (Sparks) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

More Soarers, most with problems fixed or at least diagnosed.
Less Celsiors, many with undiagnosed, unfixed problems.
Graham Dollisson
DieHard
QLD
GTTL Morris Marina P76

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Monday, November 27, 2006 - 09:26 am, by:  Graham Dollisson (Alloyvee) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I wouldn't say that TT's have many problems. I have owned mine for almost 4 years and other than normal servicing, I have only replaced....

pair of rear shocks
drivers side window regulator
engine mounts

Everything else I have done to the car would be a modification, and as such, not counted as a problem. At the same time, I would consider it the easiest car to work on and the most reliable thing I have owned.
Of cause, I checked the car out carefully before I bought it, and I don't drive around with my foot mashed to the firewall either. That makes a big difference to how they last. But, then again, that's any car. Isn't it??
Mark Paddick
Goo Roo
ACT
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Monday, November 27, 2006 - 10:28 am, by:  Mark Paddick (Sparks) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Because they can be modified for more power relatively easily they usually are so TT's tend to break more stuff. In the hands of a 'normal' driver they are no more or less reliable but when in the hands of some 'enthusiasts' they can be very un- reliable.

TT's tend to be owned by younger persons.
Younger persons don't generally look after their cars as well. Partly financial. Partly they haven't learned the 'regular servicing' lesson the hard way yet (and I find that the hard way is the only way to teach them with rare exceptions)
Ryan Posselt
Tinkerer
NSW
Celsior V8

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Monday, November 27, 2006 - 11:32 am, by:  Ryan Posselt (Yakusaryan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Settle down.... i'm only 19 and i just spent 5K on my celsior servicing and replacing bushes, gearbox service etc... Does that make me an exception? :-)
Mark Paddick
Goo Roo
ACT
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Monday, November 27, 2006 - 11:36 am, by:  Mark Paddick (Sparks) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Probably
Mark Paddick
Goo Roo
ACT
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Monday, November 27, 2006 - 12:11 pm, by:  Mark Paddick (Sparks) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No. Definitely
Ryan Posselt
Tinkerer
NSW
Celsior V8

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Monday, November 27, 2006 - 05:32 pm, by:  Ryan Posselt (Yakusaryan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hehe excellent

P.S
I dont do that either :-) i'm a good boy ( i wasn't about 8 months ago but hey!) :-) Thats why these P plate restrictions and extra police attention is so gay for me!
Vinh Bui
Goo Roo
NSW
94 UZZ31 (V8) / 96 JZZ30 (TT)

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Monday, November 27, 2006 - 05:58 pm, by:  Vinh Bui (Hyudsjk) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You're right Mark, most younger people don't look after their cars. 9/10 of my friends don't really look after the condition of their cars, be it interior, exterior or motor. I service my car regularly at 3 month intervals, or 4000/5000KM intervals. The car is also washed personally by me whenever I feel that the weather will be friendly. I know carwashes tend to leave fine swirl marks if you go there enough, so I avoid them altogether. I also have a strict rule of not letting anyone lean on my car.

The person with the most expensive car in the group (Nissan 200SX S15) doesn't even use the right oil. Just goes to show how some people just don't appreciate what they have.
Ryan Posselt
Tinkerer
NSW
Celsior V8

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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 08:44 pm, by:  Ryan Posselt (Yakusaryan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

P.S guys how often and what things should you get done when i get a service?
Note: i have a washable aftermarket air filter
Vinh Bui
Goo Roo
NSW
94 UZZ31 (V8) / 96 JZZ30 (TT)

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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 09:57 pm, by:  Vinh Bui (Hyudsjk) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ryan, the person who is going to service your car should never need to use water to clean your engine bay.

As for intervals between each general service, just do it every 5000KM's to be safe. Changing oil and the oil filter seem to be common practice :-)
Of course, if your mechanic spots anything else that'll need to be replaced he'll notify you.

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