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Sam Avery
TryHard
south australia
celsior v8

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Friday, December 28, 2007 - 11:09 am, by:  Sam Avery (Samavery) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok, after being defected for having the 20's on my celsior i have decided i want it legal so i can stick it up the cops a$$ when they pull me over.
anyway, my question here is does anyone know the rules and regulations regarding getting my celsior engineered with the 20's on.
thanks.
Andrew Ferres
DieHard
WA
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Friday, December 28, 2007 - 01:14 pm, by:  Andrew Ferres (Peewee) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Depends what laws SA runs.
Most states of Aust run different laws.

NCOPs are in most states now, not sure if SA has taken them on board yet or not.

NCOP states that rims size doesn't matter, as long as rolling diameter is within +15/-10mm of the original largest tyre.

You can run tyres up to 30% wider than the widest factory.

The rim width must be within the legal limits of the tyre you use.

Rim offset must be the same or up to 12mm more negative than factory. (ie, can't run more positive offset)

Rim and tyre must be completely inside the guard while pointing forward.

Rim and tyre must not contact any part of the body or suspension under any circumstances.

http://toymods.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7230



Thats pretty much the jist of it all.
Drew Rechner
Tinkerer
South Australia
JZZ30 TT

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Friday, December 28, 2007 - 02:02 pm, by:  Drew Rechner (Drew1jz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Andrew Ferres wrote on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 01:14 pm:

NCOP states that rims size doesn't matter, as long as rolling diameter is within +15/-10mm of the original largest tyre.




Hey Sam, here in s.a as per above, you can legally run Rims up to two inches above factory size
Andrew Ferres
DieHard
WA
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Friday, December 28, 2007 - 03:02 pm, by:  Andrew Ferres (Peewee) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just check if NCOPs are in in SA.

If they are, the archaic rule of 2+2 or 2+1 doesn't exist anymore.

WA started using the NCOP's about 2 years ago, soooooo much better.
Simon Martin
TryHard
Queensland
Celsoir UCF11

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Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 10:22 am, by:  Simon Martin (Commander) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I never got pulled up with my 20s on, maybe yours are just ugly... lol kidding.

i live in QLD tho. I don't think you can get mod plates for the 20s, i looked in to that a lot for mine. Plus I got told the other day QLD transport can take mod plates off so i dunno...
Sam Avery
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south australia
celsior v8

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Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 11:17 am, by:  Sam Avery (Samavery) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yeah you live in queensland they police are to busy eating donuts over there to do anything.
here in SA they are anal about it. i have seen THAT many cars with defect stickers on them this holidays its not funny.

by the way i am more asking what are the rules and regulations of getting my car ENGINEERED with teh 20's on. so an engineer takes my car and drives around or whatever they do then sign a piece of paper telling the govt that my car is OK to drive with teh 20's on.
a dude at the tyre place told me i needed a 245/30/20 tyre on teh rims before an engineer would pass it. but coming accross a tyre like that is not easy, nor cheap.
Andrew Ferres
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Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 10:51 am, by:  Andrew Ferres (Peewee) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Basically you need to find out which laws SA run in regards to wheels.
You do this by ringing the SA Trans Dept and talking to the Tech Section (or whatever section looks after it).

If they run the 'no bigger than 2" bigger' rule, then you cannot get 20's legally engineered.

If they run the NCOP's, then if you follow everything I typed at the top, then the tyres/rims are legal and you don't need engineering.

And yes, you need to run a 245/30/20 to be legal.
That tyre is 8mm bigger than factory (rolling diameter), so is acceptable.
If its a 235, it needs to be 235/30/20
If its a 255, it needs to be 255/30/20
Sam Avery
TryHard
south australia
celsior v8

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Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 11:16 am, by:  Sam Avery (Samavery) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yeah well i think the 2" rule regards to what you can have on legally before u get defect for it.
engineering the car with the wheels on it is a different story.
argh, now i guess i just have to find some tyres for the 20's and get it engineered.
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder

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Monday, December 31, 2007 - 07:48 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My Tyre placard in my soarer ONLY states 18 inch wheels and tyre sizes as thats what is was complied with... Maybe you need to get hold of a different placard and just say you were going off the placard on the vehicle?
Dave Rose
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wa
uzz31 v8

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Tuesday, January 01, 2008 - 01:53 pm, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Complied with non std 18s ....really .... how long ago.
Sam Sulley
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South Australia
The bloke from the bush

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Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 09:23 pm, by:  Sam Sulley (Ss666x) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The whole 2 inch thing, is as what was stated, the legal limit BEFORE engineering needs to take place.

at the engineering mob, aka REGENCY, they will decide if (on a good day)that those wheels are safe, mechanically sound with the rest of vehicle, then they will pass it) if not, ie bad day, they will just say they aren't suitable and charge you money and kick you out.

I am not exactly sure about how to contact them, but im sure a phone call to Transport SA or Service SA will sort it out.
Ryan Posselt
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NSW
Celsior V8

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Saturday, August 30, 2008 - 10:03 pm, by:  Ryan Posselt (Yakusaryan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I run 18s with 245/45/R18 on the front and 265/40/R18 on the rear.... is this legal? and could I keep the same width and go up to 20's? I'm in NSW by the way.
David Barnes
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Qld
Celsior V8

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Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 08:31 am, by:  David Barnes (Toyota_celsior) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ryan, No you cant, I have 19's and the widest I can go is 245's on the ass, Mind you they are 9.5inch wide rims big dish.

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