i've been toying with the idea of fitting an air tank in my celsior. i would also like to use larger lines/valves with step downs to what ever the standard size is. My question is will the standard bags put up with all this extra air? and does anyone know of someone else who has done or is doing this either in a celsior or soarer? if all that was too vague let me know and i'll rewrite it lol
I used 3/8" air lines on my old bags, and the simple answer to it is... No, my bags did not last, as soon as I put in the bigger airlines, valves, tank etc, I was getting airleaks everywhere, so then I had to get rid of the bags and now I have spent about $7000 all up and im back on brand new standard bags, so basically back to square one. I do not recommend it.
Sunday, April 26, 2009 - 11:35 am, by: Rich O'neil(Kiwiinaus)
Don't forget that if you go aftermarket you lose all the semi active suspension,no anti squat no anti dive no automatic leveling and so on,all so you can go up and down a bit faster or go a bit lower ??
Rich - Not necessarily - Self leveling kits are easily available for a slight extra cost.
Lloyd - I suggest Tubular Suspension Systems located in Sydney although they have other dealers around Aust, never seen or heard anything bad about them at all and I have seen his work, top notch and also engineered.
Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 11:12 pm, by: Tom Lanyon(Toml)
Brendan - is Tubular Suspension Systems the place that did your $7k job which is now defunct?
Andrew - actually I believe the combination of standard ECU + suspension computer provides active anti-squat and anti-dive by adjusting the dampening on your shocks (ie. TEMS). It also performs auto-levelling using the air system, based on height sensors on each wheel (and a few other sensors if my memory serves correctly...)
Tom - It was a "mate" who cost me 7K, We modified the standard bags to fit bigger lines, hense more air to the bags and that means they can raise and drop much faster, although it ruined the bags, had leaks, my car almost caught fire because of his dodgy work, and then I had to buy all new bags and the only bags I could find were "Arnott industries" bags, so I bought them which cost me a pretty penny. I have not had any work done by Tubular Suspension Systems yet, but I have seen their work and it is fantastic... www.tubularsuspensionsystems.com. TSS is still operational to my knowledge, I think that the company that you might be thinking about is "Burnin Customs" they went under about 2 years ago now.
i have the tss airbag kit for the soarer, as yet not installed, but will be in 2 weeks time...
it was the airbag kit or a s/c, and last time i had the same choice (different car) i chose the s/c
the soarer kit is very costly as the most expensive parts the air struts are custom made and can be brought off the shelf like a commodore kit for example, but the total cost is 4150 for the kit, and when you comapre that to the price of new airstruts it's not that bad, difference is the aftermarket bags have full adjustability and better ride and are easily rebuilt..
as mentioned the auto level, 99% of soarers have rooted suspension so the ride is like a rusty pogo stick or whatever, the anti squat/dive is a function of the suspension design, the auto level is not, now with the basic kit it's all manually adjustable, but when you get the car engineered you have the option of different ride controllers and they have varied functions the most basic being auto level which is required by law, others can do many different things...
people might say what a waste of $$ or whatever, but i'll get as good if not better than factory ride, and the option to go from max low to max high in under 1sec if and when i please... also the car will go much lower than is possible on factory struts, mainly in the rear..
Friday, June 12, 2009 - 08:09 pm, by: Rich O'neil(Kiwiinaus)
Andrew this is from the Lexus manual. Quote:The shock absorber dampening force is also controlled electronically to suppress vehicle posture changes such as rolling , nose diving and squatting , thus maintaining outstanding riding comfort and controllability: End Quote. So the electronics do play a semi active part.