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Mike Beck
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Thursday, April 29, 2010 - 11:35 am, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Murray Lund wrote on Thursday, April 29, 2010 - 05:49 am:

made in Germany




Ah thats right, I now remember I had a set made elsewhere (Germany) and some others in USA.


Matthew Sharpe wrote on Thursday, April 29, 2010 - 06:01 am:

China, America - whats the difference these days?




There are many differences!
Christian Somerville
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Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 10:45 pm, by:  Christian Somerville (Csomers) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Update guys.

T56 box may be a bit down the track now due to funds, I have been reading up on the W58 box for my Soarer and may go for that for the time being as it will be a good install to do myself and yes I am aware that if I want to charge the soarer later a better box is needed, but I have no plans as yet.
Extractors and chip + manual is what I need.

So mods for this year are as follows.

1. 18" Rims - SSR Professors/Work Meister S1s/Riverside Trafficstars
This is after my car gets a full service and suspension/bushes/steering is checked and any probs taken care of.

2. Neil's extractors - ceramic coated along with 2 high flow cats into my already made catback.

3. W58 conversion later on.
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Friday, May 14, 2010 - 03:01 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good thinking Christian, often the draw is to go for the best gearbox, but you gotta be realistic about how much it will cost and if its worth it in the long run, for what its worth the W58 makes much more sense

In the past I often planed on getting the best of something when upgrading, but most of the time I am kidding myself as I wont be able to afford it in a short time, so figured to just settle for something a little less, at least then its attainable

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Christian Somerville
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Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 03:04 pm, by:  Christian Somerville (Csomers) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's exactly right Mike and what I am aiming for :-)
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Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 04:05 pm, by:  Mark Donovan (Mark_donovan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Christian, IMO, and from experience, it would be a good idea to put brakes and braided lines up at the top of the list.
Neil Griffiths
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Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 05:24 pm, by:  Neil Griffiths (Aussiesc) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Christian,
Sorry to say this mate, you wont be doing the extractors with the W58, they dont fit with the slave cylinder.

Who's W58 system you gunna use ? Rod Shop or Dellow !

Have you costed them yet mate ?
Christian Somerville
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Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 07:11 pm, by:  Christian Somerville (Csomers) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mark: I was going to do them first, but a guy I was buying TT brakes off of is being useless, so was thinking since I need new tyres get the rims first.

Neil: Ahh yeah I a bit on this, a couple of blokes in the US (club lexus) said they might have found a way around it.

I had a look at the CRS kit and it seems reasonable, $2500 being the complete kit minus the box.
http://www.rodshop.com.au/trans_conversions/bh/bh-106a.htm

Is there anyway around the slave cylinder/extractor issue?

Is the R154 ok and if so, it would be wiser to get the W56 wouldn't it!

Thanks guys!
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Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 10:32 pm, by:  Neil Griffiths (Aussiesc) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Christian Somerville wrote on Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 07:11 pm:

I had a look at the CRS kit and it seems reasonable, $2500 being the complete kit minus the box.




Mmmmmm, have you looked at what comes in my T56 system !
Compare to the W58 system.

( T56 box is cheaper than an R154 )
And,
No slave cylinder issue.

There is no way around the slave on the other box installs, sorry.

Also consider the loss you will take when you do finally upgrade.
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Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 04:53 pm, by:  Christian Somerville (Csomers) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hmm, T56 it is then...
I could supercharge it for the same cost though, so a bit of a juggle.

Neil Griffiths
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Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 05:50 pm, by:  Neil Griffiths (Aussiesc) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Again,
Think about this.
Supercharge, I advise to go Twin Screw from the start.
M90 you will be wanting to upgrade from within 6 months of install.
Don't forget to allow for an ECU upgrade.

Sorry, but the motto is * Do it once, Do it wisely * :-)
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Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 10:38 pm, by:  Christian Somerville (Csomers) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah understood Neil, hmm, I totally agree, the M90 has problems with heat too doesn't it?

Only problem with going for a twin screw is the M90 setup can be found for $3,500+ and the twin screw will be at least double this!
Ecu on top of that, I do like stuff done right the first time though, again something I need to really put a lot of thought into before going ahead.
James Buchan
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Monday, May 17, 2010 - 12:37 am, by:  James Buchan (Jrbuch) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Neil, I'm also keen to supercharge down the track. What do you advise, as like Christian has said - the M90 can be had for around that mark, and if I run low boost I could hypothetically retain the stock ecu, & injectors. (I know i'd get tired of this very soon & want more) What about an M112?


I did the headers right (Was keen not to get them ceramic coated, but the underbonnet temp difference is huge) So like you said, doing it properly would be the best thing to do.

I'd be more likeley to spend my money on forced induction first, then upgrade/change the gearbox later.
Neil Griffiths
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Monday, May 17, 2010 - 06:18 pm, by:  Neil Griffiths (Aussiesc) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is something for you's to consider.

Over the years, I have done many mods to my Soarer, all trial and error to see what is good.

I have run these setups on my Soarer thus far.

NA with Extractors / Shift Kit / Stall Converter 2,800 rpm

As above with Harry's ECU

As above with YT1500 Charger ( M90 )

As above with Adaptronic ECU

As Above with R154 Manual

As above with Twin Screw 2.3 ltr

As above with T56 just about finished.

Boost pressures have been from 6 psi to 17.5 psi, all non intercooled.

Car has been on both surfaces, Track and Drag.

So from all this over the years and many thousands of $$$, I have one recommendation on where to start and what to do in a logical money order.

1st, get the diff sorted if it is an open wheeler.

2nd, Exhaust system. ( Only do Extractors if you are considering Charger, if Turbo is your inclination just do from Cats back )

3rd, Go Manual if you are considering it. ( If not go to 4 with the Auto )

4th, ECU upgrade, Not an interceptor, a full control ECU. ( As you are aware, I use Adaptronic )

5th, Supercharger / Turbo Charger. Again, see what your budget can afford at this point.

Reason I have this order of upgrades, is you WILL keep enjoying your car as it develops.You will feel it start to come ALIVE.

Hope this helps


Now with the T56, I have tried to make it as simple as possible for the handyman / handywoman to do the install in there own garage, this is to get it in the car at the least amount of cost. Only thing you will need to have done for you is the driveshaft mods.
Christian Somerville
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Monday, May 17, 2010 - 10:15 pm, by:  Christian Somerville (Csomers) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Neil this does sound like a good plan, how is the ecu you are running? this would be wise after extractors are installed.

I will take it as it comes for now, thanks mate!
Christian Somerville
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Monday, May 17, 2010 - 11:12 pm, by:  Christian Somerville (Csomers) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thus far:

1. New wheels
2. Brakes (TT with braided lines)
3. Extractors
4. Ecu
5. Torsen Diff

How does that sound for a basis Neil?

I would be going down the supercharged track (nothing like a supercharged V8)
Neil Griffiths
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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 04:55 pm, by:  Neil Griffiths (Aussiesc) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Christian,
Sounds like a good plan mate.

ECU, well I honestly dont think you will find a more complex ECU than the e420 from Adaptronic, it has many functions and the price is very good.

Do some comparisons on what you get for your $$.
Ie: Functions / Control / Inputs / Outputs Etc, what you get in the tin can you may say.

e420 is $990 + Harness $99 + 3 Bar MAP $88 + An Air Temp Sensor ( I get the Delco ones )

You go to the Top of the line with the Super ECU 1520 @ $1,900 ( Now this has some bang for the buck I'll tell ya ) It is up there with the Big Guns.
Mike Beck
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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 05:54 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am impressed with the prices of these Adaptronic ECUs

Are there any tuners here in New Zealand that you know of Neil?

So to make it clear are these a full stand alone ECU or a piggy back? I am wanting to go stand alone for my project.

(Sorry to hijack thread)
Christian Somerville
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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 07:13 pm, by:  Christian Somerville (Csomers) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah stand alone as far as I know!
mmm :-)

so this will bring the 1UZ a bit more out of it's shell?
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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 07:43 pm, by:  James Buchan (Jrbuch) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hrmm, all sounds pretty good. Maybe I should think about the diff in my car. See if I can get one from a supra in the not too distant future!
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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 09:31 pm, by:  Christian Somerville (Csomers) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hahah, me and James have the same path :-) we should live next door so we can do everything at once hahaha!
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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 09:47 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


James Buchan wrote on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 07:43 pm:

Maybe I should think about the diff in my car.




Totally do it, asap, before the end of the month!!

I can't think how many times my diff really pissed me off in my last soarer, like 3 weeks before I sold it I took it down south for a trip to pick up some parts and powering through some corners it started showing its open wheel tendencies. Made it feel like a lethargic boat, especially when you're on the wide spanning open road.

Was little things like that which made me all the more glad to sell it.
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Mike Beck wrote on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 09:47 pm:

Was little things like that which made me all the more glad to sell it.




Aww, but things like that are the easy bits to fix, thanks to all the common parts across the models!
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Matthew Sharpe wrote on Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 10:57 am:

Aww, but things like that are the easy bits to fix, thanks to all the common parts across the models!




True that, I think above all the handling difference between my E36 and the UZZ30 convinced me instantly to change cars.

After a few months with the E36 I began to think I was bit dumb to have sold my last UZZ30 since it was very good but upon testing that really tidy UZZ30 on trade me I realized I made the right decision.
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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 04:59 pm, by:  Neil Griffiths (Aussiesc) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Mike Beck wrote on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 05:54 pm:

So to make it clear are these a full stand alone ECU or a piggy back




Full stand alone Mike ( Can be used as a piggy back if wanted )

www.adaptronic.com.au

If you download the WARI file to your PC, let me know and I will send a MAP for you to open it and have a play around and look at the functions it has.
I will do this for anyone who is interested.

As for tune, most places that tune a variety of ECU's should be able to tune it Mike, but I will find out for you as well.

Tunes in Time or Volumetric Efficiency.







James Buchan wrote on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 07:43 pm:

Maybe I should think about the diff in my car




I recommend taking the time and finding a T2 center for your diff.

For the T56, a TT 4.08 will suit it on the money ( The 3.79 V8 one will suffice well )
I am going to try my 3.2 with the T56 in my Soarer.
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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 06:36 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Neil Griffiths wrote on Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 04:59 pm:

Full stand alone Mike ( Can be used as a piggy back if wanted )

www.adaptronic.com.au

If you download the WARI file to your PC, let me know and I will send a MAP for you to open it and have a play around and look at the functions it has.
I will do this for anyone who is interested.

As for tune, most places that tune a variety of ECU's should be able to tune it Mike, but I will find out for you as well.

Tunes in Time or Volumetric Efficiency.




Sounds like what I am after then. Yeah I would be interested to have a look, Send the MAP file to soarer260@hotmail.com

Cheers Neil.
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Christian Somerville wrote on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 09:31 pm:




Haha that would be good! We could figure out what the best bits are and what not to buy again in the future! Think what we could accomplish putting all those nice bits on all so soon.


And on the subject of diffs, had my stupid open wheeler spinning up this evening in the rain. Crapped me off no end. I need a torsen dammit.
If only I'd switched the Soarers open wheeler for the Supra's when we had them both at the same time :-(
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Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 10:49 pm, by:  Christian Somerville (Csomers) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hmmmmm, yeah diff is on the list!
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Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 08:25 pm, by:  Sean Routledge (Stircrazy) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Neil, my Soarer has currently done around 230,000kms. I'd love to go down the track of supercharges and manual conversions, but with such high kms would there be any sense in doing so? Or would I be better off finding a fresher, low km 1UZ and start from there, or even a rebuild on my current engine?
Any help would be much appreciated, cheers.

Soz for the thread highjack.
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Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 08:22 am, by:  Neil Griffiths (Aussiesc) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sean,
I would run it all on your current engine.
My Soarer has done way higher than that and it gets a flogging ( Poor thing )

Then, if or when your current engine hearn-e-ates, swap it out.
Just dont flogg the guts out of it " all " the time.
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Lol, cheers mate. You've given me a lot to think about..

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