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Yang Luo
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vic
soarer 6cyl twin turbo manual

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Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 07:26 pm, by:  Yang Luo (Steven) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

to all
does any one know which one will be better,and the cost for them.and what's the psi for each can be boost up to?
Ben Daniel
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Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 09:41 pm, by:  Ben Daniel (Lexustt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

HKS T3G's will give you 300rwkw, Steel wheels with give you about 250rwkw at 18psi ??? they can boost to 20 but apparently the manifolds become a restriction so if you ported them out then you would be able to run 20.

Some guy on Ebay is selling china steel wheeled turbos for $1200 a pair which is a "steel" (haha, get it ?) but a HKS T3G kit will set you back around $4000 ???

Hope this has helped, altho it may not be entirely accurate.
Tom Burgan
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TT

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Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 12:52 am, by:  Tom Burgan (Burg) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Steel wheelin the stock CT12a's is a very good way to go and you could get hooked up for under 2K installed. They can be boosted safely to 18psi.

The T3G's are a better way to go but simply because they can produce more power but I dont think 300rwkw is realistic, more like around 280rwkw. Boost wont kick in until about 3500rpm compared to 3000rpm for stock steel wheels. I picked a complete T3G setup for $2500 from this forum, then it was another $650 to get installed and then another $350 for a tune. I'm just boosting mine up to 15psi but with an upgraded fuel delivery system I have known somebody to go up to 21psi.
Marc Vipond
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Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 09:19 am, by:  Marc Vipond (04awe) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Steel wheel your twins because compared to stock power they will more than satisfy your need for speed! If you can get T3G's for a good price though nab them, however these kits are becoming harder to find and therefore driving the price up.
Yang Luo
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vic
soarer twin turbo manual

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Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 03:45 pm, by:  Yang Luo (Steven) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

if i boost to 19psi from steel wheel turbo do i need to ported?
Callum Finch
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Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 05:06 pm, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You wouldnt notice a difference with only upping it 1psi, Yang.

Probably a better way to make up your mind about what you are after is think about what you are actually after; do you want your car to produce lots of power? Or just enough more than a stock setup so that you can have more fun?

If you want more outright power then you might be better off looking at the project like a number of people have done on here with single turbo setups.

Another thing to remember, as a bonus with the steel wheels, is that they will last a lot longer than any other typical turbo. So you can stuff around with your foot flat all the time for longer without detrimental effects.
Yang Luo
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Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 10:19 pm, by:  Yang Luo (Steven) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i want boost at 19psi after i get steel wheel put in my CT12A.19psi will be the daily psi
Peter Abdelmessih
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victoria
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Monday, October 16, 2006 - 12:18 pm, by:  Peter Abdelmessih (Peter_1jz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are those chinese steel wheel CT12A's any good??
Yang Luo
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vic
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Monday, October 16, 2006 - 12:40 pm, by:  Yang Luo (Steven) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

you can get steel wheel from ATP.in Murrumbeena
Braden Murdoch
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Monday, October 16, 2006 - 03:23 pm, by:  Braden Murdoch (Ribfeast) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have the steel wheel china ones in my cressy, slightly more lag than stock, which makes it a dog off the line, but they seem to have a lot more top end. They don't flow any better than the stock turbos. Maybe get them highflowed before putting them in?

I don't notice a huge power increase with 18psi vs 15psi, so I run with 15psi for daily driving, and 18psi for the strip. It will rapidly heat up your cooler piping though, so you would want to bring a bag of ice or something to cool them with if possible.
Michael Sztyk
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Victoria
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Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 05:28 pm, by:  Michael Sztyk (Sli1) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Yang Luo wrote on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 12:40 pm:

you can get steel wheel from ATP.in Murrumbeena




I got mine done there...
So far no issues.
Just make sure ya tell him not to use the Chinese steel wheels and you'll be right.

Im hitting boost cut all the time, on cold nights mostly.

He's got a pretty good reputation and is a good guy.
Peter Abdelmessih
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victoria
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Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 05:54 pm, by:  Peter Abdelmessih (Peter_1jz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Yang, how much do ATP steel wheel the turbos for???
I would like to know, thanks.
Yang Luo
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Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 10:39 pm, by:  Yang Luo (Steven) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

he told me 1200 for two steel wheels because we got twin turbo.and he have to take out and put it back.all together $3000 start.
i won't do that with this price.$3000 you can get a hks T3G
Yang Luo
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Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 10:40 pm, by:  Yang Luo (Steven) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

michael does the steel wheel make much different than the ceramic wheels?
Tom Burgan
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Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 10:45 pm, by:  Tom Burgan (Burg) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You ask a lot of question Yang, which is good but using the search tool is good too.
Peter Abdelmessih
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victoria
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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 09:40 am, by:  Peter Abdelmessih (Peter_1jz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So $3000 to steel wheel the turbos.
Yang Luo
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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 10:32 am, by:  Yang Luo (Steven) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

$3000 is just a start price.
Sam Koek
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VICTORIA
2.5GT-T Manual

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 08:31 pm, by:  Sam Koek (Samkoek) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yang, i had few friends have manual soarer too, and they use Steel wheel turbo (but not the one from ebay) and they told me they very happy about it, and they run 19psi as a daily drive, no problem. Stock turbo is good, but can only boost to 14.5psi. hope this help you.
Bill Bogiatzis
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TT

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 08:47 pm, by:  Bill Bogiatzis (Boggie23) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Stocks (ceramic turbos) are awesome. Nothing will suit a stock Soarer better than what it came out of factory. If you are planning to run under 16 psi there is not better turbo in my opinion for a 1JZ Soarer. They spool up just off idle and hit full boost in no time at all.

I just had mine rebuilt and I am a little disappointed with the result. Stock when you give it 50 percent throttle off the line it chirps the wheels. With steel wheels it just takes off and you wait and you wait and then bam on they come. I get positive boost at 2500 rpm but not too sure when I hit full boost (haven’t really pushed the car that hard) but I would say about 3750 or so. And I am only running 10psi. Don’t really need anything else. I am not really a boy racer I just enjoy the comfort and styling of a soarer. If I wanted a car to thrash I would have gotten a VL or RB/Vtec engine.

I would have recommended if you can get them rebuilt to stock specs. Unless you are looking at 16+psi then it will not be viable even though rebuilt stockies could handle 18 psi as they won’t have shaft play so they won’t stuff up.
Yang Luo
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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 09:09 pm, by:  Yang Luo (Steven) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

sam where did your friend do the steel wheel turbo.i am running nearly 15psi on my soarer.i think you have to get boost cut first
Sam Koek
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Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 10:01 am, by:  Sam Koek (Samkoek) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yang i will find out for you and PM you. You are right, you will need to do the boost cut first to get more then 15psi.
Braden Murdoch
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Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 10:46 am, by:  Braden Murdoch (Ribfeast) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just buy the $1200 steel wheel ones as a pair off eBay like I did, $3000 is a ridiculous waste of money for such a small performance increase.
I've found a better launch technique so I'm going to try and beat that 2.4 sec 60 foot I got last time with the steel wheels.
They seem to have nothing til around 10psi and then they hit hard. Very different to the ceramics which hit hard and peter out early.
Daniel Clarke
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Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 07:32 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Check these out.

http://www.gcg.com.au/Catalogue_Menus/Upgrade%20Turbochargers/upgrade_ct12a.htm

Yes they may cost $1450 each, but 20% more Power at the same boost level??? Definately a must.

I think its funnny how many people slag out the ceramics as not being able to perform. I have minimal mods and have ran Numerous 12.9's at 108mph. Dont be scared to keep them and have fun. Lotsa people have used them for years.
Daniel Czechowski
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Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 07:45 pm, by:  Daniel Czechowski (Dan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If it wasn't for the fact that my ceramics have died (I personally have never boosted it past its stock boost) I would not have changed to steel wheels... I think people go for the reliability factor as well when they choose steel wheel turbos.
Daniel Clarke
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Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 08:25 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

For sure. Once they DIE, you would be mad NOT to replace them with Steelies of some sort. BUT, dont throw the stockies away for the sake of it.

Was good last night to be running faster than a couple of Skylines with GT35/40's on them. Mega $$$$ spent under the hoods, and have tracton issues or cant get boost until almost Half track on another car. I know they CAN run 11's when set up or get a perfect pass( But thats just it, it probably wont be consistent), BUT when they are running 13.5's and such with all that money, I cant see the point.

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