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Chris Davey
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Friday, November 17, 2006 - 12:45 pm, by:  Chris Davey (Chris_davey) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey guys,

I just did this up as a compressor map for a 1jz running a GT30 with 90% VE.

To me it looks like it could run up to 1.5 to 1.75 bar efficiently depending on total revs.

Looks quite close to surge on spool up.

What do you think?

I used this to calculate the points and then estimated boost threshold based on other cars.

http://lance.ugbox.net/Hilux/Technical/Turbo%20Maps/3RZFE%20VE.xls


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Tim Appleton
TryHard
QLD
UZZ31

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Friday, November 17, 2006 - 01:52 pm, by:  Tim Appleton (Timbo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A decent electronic boost controller should allow you to set boost for different revs so you can avoid the surge line, right?
Benjamin Burgess
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Friday, November 17, 2006 - 02:04 pm, by:  Benjamin Burgess (Jampac) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My setup doesn't surge, but it would get very close to surging. When I was doing simulation work before actually buying all the parts It was showing it would surge a small amount on this turbo.

I have 5psi by 2900rpm, which is well inside the surge line. My theory with this turbo is seeing as the 1jz can take big boost which is not common for a factory engine, why not run a smaller turbo with good spool up and run like in the mid 20 pound range to produce some big power, but with good response on pump fuel.
Chris Davey
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Friday, November 17, 2006 - 02:15 pm, by:  Chris Davey (Chris_davey) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EBC's have gain functions to bring boost on quicker not slower.

Thanks for the info. Ben.

Pming you.
Tim Appleton
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Friday, November 17, 2006 - 03:01 pm, by:  Tim Appleton (Timbo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok, I was under the impression that some like the Apex'i AVC-R were RPM-controlled, but I didn't realise that you couldn't reduce boost.
Chris Davey
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Friday, November 17, 2006 - 03:09 pm, by:  Chris Davey (Chris_davey) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is just like a stock car. You can't reduce the boost below the natural limit. ie. stock can't go below 8psi.

EBC's keep the pressure away from the wastegate until you reach desired boost so that the wastegate doesn't open. THis brings boost on quicker.

If this wasn't to happen some exhaust gasses would be "wasted" and then boost threshold would increase.

A good way to decrease boost is to jam your exhaust full of socks or your intercooler pipes :-) (No I don't recommend that)

Cams will increase lag but as the table is based on a stable VE of 90% I am not sure how the addition of cams would change the VE. ie. may be 80% up until 4000rpm and then 92% so that would change the flow and where it goes in relation to the surge line.
Tim Appleton
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Friday, November 17, 2006 - 03:22 pm, by:  Tim Appleton (Timbo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks mate. Makes sense now.
Richard Johnson
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Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 03:43 am, by:  Richard Johnson (92soarertt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

can someone graph up a 1jzgte using a GT40-88 garrett?
Mark Paddick
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Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 03:13 pm, by:  Mark Paddick (Sparks) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A decent EBC can reduce boost to any level provided your wastegate is big enough and you have a solenoid capable (and plumbed correctly).

No mechanical system can match the performance of a good EBC set up properly.
Cihan Aday
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Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 10:36 pm, by:  Cihan Aday (Cihan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Richard Johnson wrote on Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 03:43 am:



You wont make much boost without NOS, even then whats the point when smaller turbo's will make the same power with less trouble. That it ofcourse unless your planning on doing only quarter mile work, you can stage and use launch control effectively to get it moving.

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