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Rehan Bandara
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TT

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Friday, December 01, 2006 - 12:33 am, by:  Rehan Bandara (Parsec) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My engine makes a nasty knocking sound when idling. I think it's coming from the bottom end, but i'm not too sure...

any ideas what this could be?
Mark Paddick
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ACT
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Friday, December 01, 2006 - 09:54 am, by:  Mark Paddick (Sparks) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Start looking for a new engine?
Toan Nguyen
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Friday, December 01, 2006 - 10:24 am, by:  Toan Nguyen (Soarer_gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It could just be a rough idle with busted engine mounts making the engine move around hitting stuff.

Does your engine sit straight or lean to one side?
Rehan Bandara
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Friday, December 01, 2006 - 11:05 am, by:  Rehan Bandara (Parsec) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It looks pretty straight and there's no visible movement... hrm

its been developing for a while... but it seems to have become much worse since my last service. I put in a couple of oil additives (stop leak, valve unstick)

Do you think I should try another service with fresh oil (last one was only like 500kms ago)?
Peter Nitschke
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Friday, December 01, 2006 - 11:17 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The crank bearings have probably walked. New motor is the usual option as Mark suggested.

See if you can rock the crank pulley forwards and backwards at all.
Rehan Bandara
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Friday, December 01, 2006 - 11:20 am, by:  Rehan Bandara (Parsec) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

awwwww that sucks.

i'm guessing pulling down the bottom end is more trouble than it's worth?

has anyone ever done a rebuild on one of these babies? It's tempting to build a stronger bottom end to run ridiculous boost pressures...
Mark Paddick
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Friday, December 01, 2006 - 11:30 am, by:  Mark Paddick (Sparks) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There are all sorts of possibilities from big end knock to a timing belt tensioner.
A stethoscope would help you find it.
And before you say "where the hell do I get one of those" would you believe that Jaycar sell them?

An old mechanics trick is to use a large screwdriver to transmit sound from a specific spot to your ear or even a piece of hose (if I steal any more of the neighbours' garden hose I think I'll be in the ).
Peter Nitschke
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Friday, December 01, 2006 - 11:31 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's more a case of wear and perhaps lack of proper maintenance - maybe in it's former life.

The engine can still run fine so the problem can easily go undetected until the damage to the crank etc is done.

If you have a TT, it might be worth checking the play on the crank next time you service the car.
Rehan Bandara
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TT

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Friday, December 01, 2006 - 11:33 am, by:  Rehan Bandara (Parsec) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Actually, i already have one :-)

I couldn't tell much from listening around the top end except for the fact that it was getting louder the lower i went. I thought it could be the cam bearings or timing belt, so i removed the cover and poked around, but that all seemed good.

It seems to be fine when cold, and get worse as the car heats up. This could be due to the revs dropping and making the knock more pronounced (or resonant) though. I pushed and pulled on the main crank pulley and there was no discernable play in it.

Damn, i had the car on ramps yesterday. I should have checked the bottom end.
Mark Paddick
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Friday, December 01, 2006 - 05:35 pm, by:  Mark Paddick (Sparks) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It does sound like a big end knock from the description but that's really only a guess. I wouldn't worry too much unless it is really bad.
They can go on like that for a long time.
A fresh oil change may show up something. Often that is enough to change the noise slightly and make it more obvious what it is. Or there might be some bits in the oil. Or it may just go away which would point more to a generally worn engine rather than something specific.
With the prices of 2nd hand engines from Japan being the way they are it isn't worth pulling one down. It's easier and cheaper just to stick another one in. I'd be starting to look. No rush it won't go bang for a while yet.
Even late model engines are not that expensive and will be in good nick. It will have a lot of other good stuff too, like A/C compressor, steering pump and alternator so can be rather good value (especially when a recon compressor is worth more than you're paying for the engine).
Buying something like that from eBay, for instance, is dodgy at best but the Japanese auctions are not eBay and the Japanese enforce their rules one of which is that you can't bid. You must get an agent to do it for you.
If it is advertised as '"XXX" model, low k's etc" then it WILL be with only very rare exceptions. I'm much more confident about not getting ripped off but it does happen.

There are plenty around who can help you find and get what you want. Just look in the traders' section and start asking.
Rehan Bandara
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Friday, December 01, 2006 - 10:15 pm, by:  Rehan Bandara (Parsec) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thanks for the advice.

i saw some cheapies go on ebay a few months ago. Most notably a 1j in melbourne complete with ecu and turbos for $500

I'm kicking myself for not buying a halfcut now. With all the stuff i've replaced and wanted to replace it would have been a good investment.

Live and learn I guess... Any idea what kind of ballpark figure i'd be looking at for a good quality 1j?
Mark Paddick
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Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 11:18 am, by:  Mark Paddick (Sparks) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Forget cheapies on ebay. Get a good preferably later model low km engine with bits hanging off it that will be useful and not worn out...
1/2 cuts are good too and updating to say a VVTi engine is easy that way.
Some other models like Chasers and stuff will get you a really nice radiator and Hydraulic fan setup and a later 1JZ and updated ECU in your 1/2 cut. And a spare gearbox too.
Whether it will fit easily without mods is another question.
You should be able to get a good enginee for a $k and 1/2 cut for two to three.
James Linton
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Saturday, January 03, 2009 - 08:13 pm, by:  James Linton (Jameslinton50) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i could be if car is manual it could be the thrust bearing in the gearbox i have a knock at idle to but i worked out it was my thrust bearing
James Harris
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Saturday, January 03, 2009 - 09:37 pm, by:  James Harris (Haro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

James are you digging up the oldest threads ever on purpose?!



All good but, brings back memories haha

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