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Joel Kota
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NSW
TT LTD

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Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 12:09 pm, by:  Joel Kota (Stillatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey all, Just got my new turbos on. Everything seems to be ok, apart from it hitting boost really late (around 3500-4000 rpm), then i installed a Blitz SSBC last night. it doesnt feel like its got anymore boost in it at all (didnt have a boost gauge on it so i couldnt tell for sure), but it pings like crazy around 5000 rpm when the controller is on, but when it is off no pinging. Im wondering if anyones got any ideas? ill post a pic of how i hooked up the controller.
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Christian Molenda
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Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 12:21 pm, by:  Christian Molenda (Christof) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

you could be hitting boost cut (more than likely)..dont mess about with boost controllers unless you have a guage or a deep wallet to fix your engine when it goes bang
Joel Kota
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Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 12:42 pm, by:  Joel Kota (Stillatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a fuel cut defender installed so its not fuel cut. i have put in a lot of fuel in the safc and it still pings. does the diagram look ok?
Luke Nieuwhof
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WA
Soarer TT

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Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 02:05 pm, by:  Luke Nieuwhof (Luke_nieuwhof) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joel, are you sure your fuel cut defender is tuned correctly? These change the fuel amounts in a very basic way.
I think your best bet would be to go to a workshop and get the lot tuned. I doubt the problem is with the boost controller as the Soarer will quite happily let you run 15psi if you don't have the cuts in there, it just chucks lots of fuel in and gives you a black cloud behind the car every time you boot it, good for getting rid of tailgaters haha.
Daniel Clarke
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Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 04:17 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sounds like your car is running Absurd amounts of boost....

No offence, But trying to adjust a boost controller without a guage is plain stupid and should never be done.. Specially when the Boost cut is removed!

Take it and get it done on a dyno before you destroy your engine!
Daniel Clarke
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Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 04:19 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is your SAFC installed in the wiring Before or after your FCD???

If its before, then no matter how much you adjust the safc, the FCD will clamp its voltage no matter what!

Its definately leaning out badly, so i wouldnt drive it on those settings until you get it tuned properly.
Joel Kota
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Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 06:03 pm, by:  Joel Kota (Stillatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

its going down to the dyno on monday. but i want to make sure the electrical side is ok before he trys to tune it.

Basically the way the fcd and safc are setup is, MAP Sensor --> FCD --> SAFC --> ECU. I assumed that the SAFC would get the modified map signal from the fuelcut defender and then pass it to the ecu? is that right?
Daniel Clarke
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Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 06:35 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If its an SAFC 1 it Cant add fuel only remove it.

Just go with the SAFC, worked for me.
Joel Kota
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Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 07:22 pm, by:  Joel Kota (Stillatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

it is an safc. not a safc2. i cant add and remove fuel.
Luke Nieuwhof
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Soarer TT

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Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 08:03 pm, by:  Luke Nieuwhof (Luke_nieuwhof) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Joel Kota wrote on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 07:22 pm:

it is an safc. not a safc2. i cant add and remove fuel.



Err....
Joel, I think you should get a reputable workshop to check all your handywork and tune the thing. You could be causing some damage to your engine.
Braden Murdoch
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Friday, October 12, 2007 - 04:19 pm, by:  Braden Murdoch (Ribfeast) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bypass the AFR stuff on the SAFC so that it only goes though the FCD, and then see if it runs better.
I gained a fair bit of HP when I did this, my SAFC was actually costing me power. Maybe the FCD and SAFC don't play nice together.
Joel Kota
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Friday, October 12, 2007 - 08:12 pm, by:  Joel Kota (Stillatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ok got it sorted out by my mechanic, seemed as though my fuel reg was not working correctly. but now i need to adjust the timing. I need to have something installed by monday as it is going on the dyno. anyone used the Jaycar programmable ignition system? or have any other ideas as to what to use. I have to have it ready by monday.
Daniel Clarke
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Friday, October 12, 2007 - 09:26 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Why is your timing out?

I was running an FCD only with 17.5psi of boost making around the 225-230rwkw mark on a stock ecu with no detonation issues!

Just take it to get it tuned properly before jumping the gun on more issues.
Mustafa Akgul
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Sunday, October 14, 2007 - 04:28 am, by:  Mustafa Akgul (Muzzy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have been running safc with no FCD for 3 years now and i have never hit boost cut even though I have run 18 psi in it.

rip it out mate when you pull fuel out with the safc this alters the boost cut as engine thinks its getting less pressure due to safc.

best you take it to someone who knows what they are doing..
Daniel Clarke
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Sunday, October 14, 2007 - 04:50 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah Muz, but you were running 440's and we discussed it woulda been ripping the out of the voltage to accomodate the power levels...

Most people find the safc raises boost cut with standard injectors safely to 15psi as a minimum.

Dont forget, the SAFC modules ONly reduce the voltages at set points, so at some stage in between those points the voltage will raise itself back up until the controller lowers it again..

AN Fcd clamps the voltage and problem solved completely.

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