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Grant Rowan
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Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 03:31 pm, by:  Grant Rowan (Booster13psi) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have finally got my Hypergear TR44 High Flowed installed. I have had problems with a leak from the back of the intake housing. The turbo took a trip back to Melbourne (under warranty) and now all is good
Next on the list is to do the cam belt, tensioner, Adjustable cam gears, water pump & serpentine belt. As she is up for her second 100,00km service. Hopefully all the gear should arrive in two weeks from a group buy. Then its time to tune




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Danny Dinh
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Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 11:07 pm, by:  Danny Dinh (Xtc) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

you'll find that you need heat shield for the rear housing.
Nice engine bay.
Grant Rowan
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Friday, October 05, 2007 - 06:08 am, by:  Grant Rowan (Booster13psi) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah took it for a belt yesterday afternoon. It was 34 degrees in Bris. Popped the bonnet when I got home and the area behind the rear housing was very very hot. One of the rubber hoses was smoking a little.
Benjamin Burgess
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Friday, October 05, 2007 - 07:12 am, by:  Benjamin Burgess (Jampac) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Shouldn't use those hose clamps. They may look nice, but they are so inferior compared to the cheaper looking hose clamps. Basically those clamps can leak under high boost.

I agree with danny, get a heat sheild/turbo blanket asap.

Other than that looks good, now get down the track after it's tuned :-)
Scott Ferguson
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Friday, October 05, 2007 - 07:25 am, by:  Scott Ferguson (Scott_ferguson) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Benjamin Burgess wrote on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 07:12 am:

but they are so inferior compared to the cheaper looking hose clamps. Basically those clamps can leak under high boost.




Any proof of that, T-bolts provide more even pressure and you can tighten them further. Not trying to rag on you just curious if something happened to you with Tbolts?
Benjamin Burgess
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Friday, October 05, 2007 - 07:37 am, by:  Benjamin Burgess (Jampac) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A workshop who builds turbo and supercharger kits for a living. They are just not flexible enough.
Grant Rowan
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Friday, October 05, 2007 - 07:55 am, by:  Grant Rowan (Booster13psi) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hmmm ok well May have to look at some new clamps. Just the standard screwup type the best?
Christian Molenda
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Friday, October 05, 2007 - 08:03 am, by:  Christian Molenda (Christof) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i have had no heat shield for 1.5 years now..
i dont have any heat issues in my engine bay. mind you im not running very aggressive timing map and i dont think my exhaust housing gets that hot.

my car is consistent run after run.

also looking at those pics, the t-bolts are only on the intake of the turbo.. who cares if there is a leak there? also cant see why they would leak when so many high power cars / drag teams use them.

nice work grant.. this car has come along way since i first saw you at willowbank almost 2 years ago.
Benjamin Burgess
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Friday, October 05, 2007 - 08:30 am, by:  Benjamin Burgess (Jampac) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

They are on the other side mate. Umm no high power cars/drag teams use them. They use something that looks like it, but costs 20x the price. I can't find exact details at the moment, don't have time, but they have to be specially fitted to suit the vehicles pipe work. They are NOT t-bolts.
Adam Holloway
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Friday, October 05, 2007 - 10:27 am, by:  Adam Holloway (Envme) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

looks good mate
Braden Murdoch
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Friday, October 05, 2007 - 11:01 am, by:  Braden Murdoch (Ribfeast) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Never had any problems with my T-bolt clamps, I'd be interested to know more about all this :-)
Christian Molenda
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Friday, October 05, 2007 - 11:17 am, by:  Christian Molenda (Christof) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i suppose i should go down and tell craig dyson to take them off his 7 sec car and change them back to garden hose style clams then hey..


your opinion anyway, i just changed to these clamps and yeah they were expensive. If they were 20 times the price they would have been about $170 per clamp. but it didnt ask for any specific thing for my pipe work. You go by the measurements that are specified on the clamps. eg. 82-90mm etc.

Since my tune i have had my cooler pipes blow off twice in 2 days. I went and got these clamps and have not had a problem since.
Benjamin Burgess
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Friday, October 05, 2007 - 11:59 am, by:  Benjamin Burgess (Jampac) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

170 per clamp is on the cheap side. I've heard depending on size, from 400-600 per clamp to fit them. They hold massive amounts of boost. If you can find a picture of HKS's drag v8 engine, it has them, so does rotormasters 2jz, and any high end 2jz engine. They look similar to t-bolts, but they are far from a t-bolt. T-bolts are cheap that looks nice.
Adam Holloway
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Friday, October 05, 2007 - 02:48 pm, by:  Adam Holloway (Envme) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i have the same clamps on my car and i have never had a problem.
Shom Bhattacharjee
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Friday, October 05, 2007 - 03:19 pm, by:  Shom Bhattacharjee (Shombre) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree, to the extent that Ben is referring to Wiggins connectors. Yes, they are significantly better than T-bolts. Yes, they are significantly more expensive. Yes, they are worth it in the drag racing/phenomenal boost setting. I also agree that unless they're seated properly, T-bolts are (IMHO) more prone to leaking than standard jubilee type clamps, and I suspect this has something to do with flexibility. However, get the T-bolts seated right - that is to say, no angles, seemingly even tension across the clamped area - and one shouldn't have a problem.
Maurice Diggler
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Friday, October 05, 2007 - 05:41 pm, by:  Maurice Diggler (Mau_rice) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am going to have to stick up for the T-Bolt ones. I have been running 17-20psi on my car for the past 18 months with all different types of standard screw type clamps and had nothing but problems, no matter what I did I would be constantly popping cooler pipes with constant boost leaks :-( I tried the T-Bolt ones got them on super tight / even and now run 20psi and haven't had a single leak in months, they kick ass.

Rowan, you will easily hear a boost leak, just leave it and see how they go. :-)
Christian Molenda
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Friday, October 05, 2007 - 06:43 pm, by:  Christian Molenda (Christof) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

point being, unless your going for a 6 second pass, and running 50+psi of boost, the t-bolts should be fine.
Benjamin Burgess
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Friday, October 05, 2007 - 06:52 pm, by:  Benjamin Burgess (Jampac) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

no point was jubilee hose clamps are 1/2 the price, easier to fit and don't have sealing problems on angles. You confused wiggins clamps for t-bolts.
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Friday, October 05, 2007 - 08:30 pm, by:  Maurice Diggler (Mau_rice) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Christian Molenda wrote on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 06:43 pm:

the t-bolts should be fine.


Not should be, are :-)
Daniel Clarke
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Friday, October 05, 2007 - 08:53 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I know NIall at Botany ( mr soarer ) doesnt like those T-Bolt style clamps either...
Charlie Ters
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Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 12:06 am, by:  Charlie Ters (Ul05st) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

very nice... i like the 'hypergear' plate on the housing....when i bought mine, he said he ran out of plates at the time ...thats what happens when you get something quickly when its hits the market....(ah well, its sold now, to a better home ).. gotta love your colour scheme
Richard Baird
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Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 06:15 pm, by:  Richard Baird (Richo) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

those clamps are ok providing there have the rolled edges and are the "constant" tension type...i.e integral spring...

After working on new trucks that run 2 bar day in and day out you soon find out whats crap and whats not....
Chris Davey
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Monday, October 08, 2007 - 12:29 pm, by:  Chris Davey (Chris_davey) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Engine bay looks good Grant. VERY interested to hear how you go on the dyno at track :-) Might be some spots for boostcruising drag day still. Oct 28th :-) Trent & I are racing on that day also :-)

BTW my T-bolt clamps have been fine up to 23psi. Just get cooler pipes lipped anyway and no problems :-)
Grant Rowan
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Monday, October 08, 2007 - 02:32 pm, by:  Grant Rowan (Booster13psi) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hopefully I will have the cam gears installed and have it tuned by the 28th.
I have given it a few blasts at 19psi and have not noticed any boost leaks as yet. But I will keep an eye on it.
Cara Joseph
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Monday, October 08, 2007 - 02:44 pm, by:  Cara Joseph (Carasky) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yeah i am using t-bolt clamps also and have not had problems up and untill 23psi but i mite add all my pipes are lipped.

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