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Jeff Smith
Goo Roo
wollongong NSW
GT30/37r Single

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Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 04:51 pm, by:  Jeff Smith (Mozzie) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Edward Salem wrote on Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 09:41 am:

im suprised at the attitude certain SC members are showing toward performance shops and new members. If you dont like their product, dont buy it simple!




If this is also include me then you are totaly wrong in the way you think I have an attitude towards Tao.
In the following thread Tao was comparing turbo's and the output I made on the Garret gt30/37r.
http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/51875/195990.html?1195022428#POST235448

In light of my responce,I did not take offence to Tao.All I was after was hard facts to back his claim.The only real way to test back to back is to slap on his turbo on my car and get a comparison between the two.Dyno figures on the same car under the same conditions will be the only way to get A true comparison.

The only way things get sold in this market is to have the right info along with good feed back and a great product.
It is hard to get a buisiness of the ground without these three "right info along with good feed back and a great product".

Don't read me wrong mate as there is no offence taken with your comment,Just a small debate.
Tao Shangguan
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Melbourne
TT

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Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 08:04 pm, by:  Tao Shangguan (Hypergear) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Daniel: I don't any thing to against your comment, It is true that people should be talking and discussing new products. And I’m starting to see and get what people want through those debits.

But Judge us base on the TR44HF lag solely is very wrong. As I said earlier TR44HF model is not designed for Low rpm range its simply designed for straight and drag.

Also a 6cyc 2.5L would be producing lot more torque and power then a small 4cyc 1.8L, But Toyota engines were not our R&D subject for this year, so we didn’t have much data on them but we will make it happen.

We custom make Ball bearing turbo units also, so for us to produce some thing to suit your application in a ball bearing form is not a big deal. But the cost of doing so is lot higher.

I've never said ball bearing is Not as good as Bush bearing turbos or slower then it. It is similar when they spools up except BB turbos are slightly more advanced. And you will be Very wrong if you judge the spool up rates of a turbo solely based on its bearing type.

We are new for Toyota people. Our project for this year was small turbochargers, and we have had countless positive feedbacks from people who've used them. You can see that on the NS forum. (believe me NS people's attitude were lot worse then here when we first established there early this year.)

I believe we have a solid team and product line, We have the ability to develop new products to suit different market requirements, And I will be very positive that we can come up with new turbochargers to benefit people with Toyota engines.
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder

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Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 09:25 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry Tao, My comment wasnt based at YOUR turbo company in particular... Just many peoples had issues with those " EABY StEELIES" Hence my comment:-)
Aka Abedin
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NSW
91 G-TT, 93 GTL 31

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Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 10:14 pm, by:  Aka Abedin (Soarer_91tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Daniel Clarke wrote on Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 09:25 pm:

" EABY StEELIES"





Enough said! Poor Jeff.
Jeff Smith
Goo Roo
wollongong NSW
GT30/37r Single

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Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 10:30 pm, by:  Jeff Smith (Mozzie) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hahaha the bugger keeps on reminding me.
Tao Shangguan
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Melbourne
TT

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Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 11:47 am, by:  Tao Shangguan (Hypergear) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

TR43HF making 279.9KWs final on a 1.8L 4CYC CA.
Jeff Smith
Goo Roo
NSW
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Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 04:30 pm, by:  Jeff Smith (Mozzie) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Psi?
Brian Timms
DieHard
New South Wales
TT Soarer Goodness.

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Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 05:48 pm, by:  Brian Timms (Turbo_brian) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tao, as mentioned on the other thread, there is massive fueling issues on that poor Nissan motor, and reliable power is only around 260kw, loosing the other 20kw to lack of fuel.

Jeff, PSI would be around 23 - 25PSI for that kind of power with PROPER supporting mods on a CA18DET.

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Jeff Smith
Goo Roo
NSW
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Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 07:18 pm, by:  Jeff Smith (Mozzie) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well that's pritty sh1t house at that level of psi.... That's if it's running at 23-25psi

Here is my dyno sheet with the garret gt30/37r @ only 16psi

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Jeff Smith
Goo Roo
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Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 07:20 pm, by:  Jeff Smith (Mozzie) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the black line is the 16psi
Tao Shangguan
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Melbourne
TT

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Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 07:41 pm, by:  Tao Shangguan (Hypergear) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Once again this is only a small 1.8L engine. Not possible to get those type of smooth boost curves with a turbo of its HP rating. But from all other 280kws dyno read out from CAs this is very responsive. So don't jump it.

The boost curve will be lot more smooth when installed on a 2.5L 6CYC engine. and will be making lot more power with less boost.

Here's a Sr20DET fully worked running a BB turbo of similar power rating. I believe the TR43hf has more responds then it.

Jeff Smith
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Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 08:32 pm, by:  Jeff Smith (Mozzie) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Tao Shangguan wrote on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 07:41 pm:

I believe the TR43hf has more responds then it.




I hope for your sake your turbo range is up to the challenge,As there is members of this forum putting trust into these....For a budget(Cheaper) Turbo than most,Dosn't say much but I can be wrong.....I have been bitten by cheap turbo's.And It ain't going to happen again....

Proven quality has always been the winner.....
Tao Shangguan
Tinkerer
Melbourne
TT

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Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 09:01 pm, by:  Tao Shangguan (Hypergear) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Fully understand your concern. I got bitten by Cheap China turbo 5 years ago on a 300ZX ended up costing me over $5000 to pull the engine out and changing the turbo twice as well as the cost of 4x turbos (2 were useless). I was a Uni student back then, that $5G was very valuable and took long time to save up.

So I set my goal to produce good working turbos at price that every one can afford. 3 years later I've made that happen and it’s getting better day by day.

But I was abit too late as the Australian's aftermarket Turbo market has already been bombarded by those fked up useless sht from various Chinese manufactures.

So for me Turbo research is not just a commercial business, Its also very personal.
Jeff Smith
Goo Roo
NSW
GT30/37r Single

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Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 09:24 pm, by:  Jeff Smith (Mozzie) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

All I can say is good luck in this industry as there is no dought going to be hard times.
On a brighter note,Listen to the concerns of most and look to rectify the problems.Years of knowledge and good products is the key,The rest will follow.

One thing that would be good is to create a chart of your turbo range along with price and post up what is best for what purpose(Start up your own thread ,say called turbo charts).So others can choose a package that will best suite there needs or what you think is best.

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