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Ryan Rankovic
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Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 10:19 pm, by:  Ryan Rankovic (Ryan1j) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey guys

My car was originally dyno'd at 154rwkw and it now has a 3" press bent cat back exhaust.

ill most likely be going to a heathcote drag day on the 2nd of december with a bunch of mates with turbo pulsars that do mid = high 13 second passes.

i really cant be arsed running but a few people want me to, to shut a few people up

so car is stock apart from the catback, i have 18s with 235s at front, 275s at rear.

should i keep those on? or go back to my bald 225s?

as i said, i really cant be arsed even going, and want to know if it will be worth to fork out $$$ for a boost controller.


i dont want to spend anymore than i have to right now, and if it cant be done i wont bother.

so do you guys think i have a chance? or not worth it?
Chris Davey
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Corona

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Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 10:53 pm, by:  Chris Davey (Chris_davey) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

go and do it and find out.

You may have a freak soarer or may be average. With a good launch you should be able to run a low 14 at about 100-102mph.

Leave stock wheels on. Probably a tiny bit slower becuase they are most likely heavier though.

If they are turbo pulsars running high 13's they are probably trapping closer to 110mph as they are usually crap off the line so they will most likely be chasing you down in the deep end.

Get out there and have fun. It isn't all about being the fastest (especially in near stock cars) so just go and do it :-)
Scott Ferguson
DieHard
Alberta
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Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 10:58 pm, by:  Scott Ferguson (Scott_ferguson) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you want a comparison, my car is a TT and in good condition, nothing special done except for the BFI and an opened exhaust. I run consistant 14.1xx's at 98-99 mph with only being able to stall the auto tranny to 2700 rpm before wheelspin. That's on 275's deflated to about 18 psi.
Matthew Sharpe
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North Island
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Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 05:23 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Also remember you'll be crusing down the 400 in luxury while they drive their screaming cake tins that feel like they are going to fly apart by the time they hit the finish.
Vinh Bui
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Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 09:26 am, by:  Vinh Bui (Hyudsjk) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Beware of the GTi-R turbocharged Pulsars though. SR20-DET AWD, gonna get you at launch every time.
Callum Finch
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WA
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Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 10:48 am, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Stock TT's have run 14-flat.
Juan Hutinel
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Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 03:39 pm, by:  Juan Hutinel (Juanted) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Theres a video on youtube of a soarer killing a GTiR off the line...and one against an EVO....
Daniel Clarke
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NSW
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Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 03:42 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Most of the stock TT's in Sydney have run 14.2-14.8 @ 97-99mph. Most 60 foot in the 2.1-2.3 region.

Leave the 275's on as you will need all the traction you can get! Drop them down to 22psi and have a good day:-) Leave the auto in Drive with Overdrive OFF and ECT set to normal ( not power).

This setup should yeild you the best results, have fun.
Mark Pattel
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Queensland
jzz30 tt

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Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 04:39 pm, by:  Mark Pattel  (Mark1414) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have not taken my car to the drags but how come people suggest the power button set to normal?

I don't really understand what the button does but I usually drive around with power on when I am "hooning" for lack of a better word.
Ryan Rankovic
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Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 06:09 pm, by:  Ryan Rankovic (Ryan1j) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thanks for the replies

this gives me some confidence, hopefully with 13.5-14psi i could get down into the 13s

there wont be any gtirs there but i know i wouldnt have a chance going up against even a lightly modded one, ive been a member of a pulsar forum for 4 years and know that the 4wd ones can be killers in standard form.

thanks Daniel, ill drop the pressure down in the tyres and well see how it goes

its still a little while away, but ill update the thread when i run!
Jeff Smith
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Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 06:58 pm, by:  Jeff Smith (Mozzie) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Have fun Ryan!

14psi will get you close to a high 13sec pass.
As daniel said leave the Ect set to normal as this is the softest setting your stock suspension is set at.If you set the Ect to on you will light the tyre's up every time.

The best way to get a good launch is to bring your self to the line first then put your foot on the brake and bring your rev's up(this is called stalling the turbo's) to just before you start to wheel spin,Around the 2700rpm mark(try this on the pre burnout and you will see what I mean).
When you see green! Drop your brake peddle and smash the excelerator peddle and don't ease of until you are past the finish line.
Your first run will be all nerve's,So don't expect too much.Once you get this out the way then it's time to concentrate on your launch.The lower your 60 foot time's the better you 1/4 time will be it's all in the launch. GOOD luck mate and keep us posted of your result's.A low 14sec pass is awsome for minimal mods,A high 13 will be unreal.
Callum Finch
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Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 07:52 pm, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Mark Pattel wrote on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 04:39 pm:

ut how come people suggest the power button set to normal?



In a drag race it doesnt do anything =P
At least Luke Hoff and myself have tried with it and without with no significant changes in times.

It certainly doesnt change the tuning of the car at all. I have noticed however that it will hold a gear longer before it changes up, however under WOT there is no difference between on and off.

If you have TEMS in the TT (dont know about a v8 with airbags or hydrologic suspension) the suspension actually stiffens up, which isnt something you necessarily want when drag racing.

Edit: As an additional to what Jeff said, put your foot hard on the throttle before releasing the brakes. This will minimise the "limpness" you may experience when the accelerator isnt on full but the brakes are off! ;)
If you want to look at even more finite stuff you can also attempt a thing called "shallow staging" =P

Every little bit helps believe it or not! ;)
Daniel Clarke
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Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 07:58 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It changes the shift points at WOT( wont shift as high) and with the ECT on NORM and Overdrive Off it will lockup in 3rd earlier than with the power button on.

The stock 1JZ makes peak power @ 6100rpm and drops off hard! The worst thing when drag racing a turbo car is over revving it! You are better off keeping in the meat of the torque than over-revving a lower gear! ( one day i will try short shifting into 2nd once on full song and see how the turbos can pull,hehe).

Also the Ect button adjusts the TEMS equipped cars. NOrmal means Soft and Power means Medium. Drag racing requires nice soft suspension to allow what is called " Squat " or " weight tranfer".
Matthew Werner
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Qld
jzz30 TT

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Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 09:50 pm, by:  Matthew Werner (Matto_888) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

awesome so if i got a dump pipe back exhaust (3" mandrel bent system) no cat (nice gear change flames) with 14psi a pod and i can flog a side mount super charged commodore (supposedly running 220rwkw)what kinda of time am i looking at? at a random guess. late 13s or early 14s..

also, boosting up to 14 pound, which is jus under your fuel cut limiter, does help a fair amount. but with a bog stock exhaust thats harder to achieve. opening up the exhaust as much as legally possible can make it alot easier to spool and boost away.

with the system i am running i have kept with a stroked 5 litre commodore ute untill 80ks, 2nd gear lol, and smoked the ass off a few silvias and skylines.

the only other car thats nailed me was a ford xr6 ute single turbo running 12pound :-(

Werner
Daniel Clarke
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Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 10:10 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ONly 1 way to find out and stop guessing!!

Take it to the track..

As i say " The Bullshit Stop when the green light Drops".
Matthew Werner
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Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 10:13 pm, by:  Matthew Werner (Matto_888) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i live in Emerald. 3 clicks west of rockhampton in qld mate. im in the sticks. closest track i know of is the benaraby raceway 5 clicks away.
was just wondering shesh..

lol
Werner
Callum Finch
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Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 07:57 am, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Matthew Werner wrote on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 09:50 pm:

ut with a bog stock exhaust thats harder to achieve.



There are lots of cars running stock exhausts with 200rwkw.
Its possible to keep it if you wanted ;)

Daniel, i didnt realised at WOT the shift points were still modified? Interesting...
Luke Nieuwhof
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Friday, October 19, 2007 - 05:29 pm, by:  Luke Nieuwhof (Luke_nieuwhof) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Stock exhaust 13.1s FTW! haha
Braden Murdoch
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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 04:20 pm, by:  Braden Murdoch (Ribfeast) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Let tyres down to low 20s
Wind boost up to 14PSI
Do a nice burnout and hold the burnout to the start line if possible (that way you burn off the water)

Once at the start line: Foot on brake, pull handbrake, overdrive off, power off, throttle at around 50% - do this until revs get as high as you can go without wheelspin (2700-3000 if possible), then when light goes green flatten accelerator and release both brakes.
Should get you your 13.
Maurice Diggler
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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 08:24 pm, by:  Maurice Diggler (Mau_rice) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Jeff Smith wrote on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 06:58 pm:

When you see green smash the excelerator peddle and don't ease of until you are past the finish line.


LOL! That made me ROFL, I'm pretty sure that stuff is common sense HAHA
Jeff Smith
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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 09:25 pm, by:  Jeff Smith (Mozzie) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hahaha ........ But don't laugh as AKA forgot that very thing. Hahaha
On his 1st run he slowed down before the end of the 1/4

There is always a reason behind a phrase like that.hahaha
He is going to kill me now.Hahahaha
Steven Nanevski
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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 09:27 pm, by:  Steven Nanevski (Imprestik) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Jeff Smith wrote on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 09:25 pm:

Hahaha ........ But don't laugh as AKA forgot that very thing. Hahaha
On his 1st run he slowed down before the end of the 1/4

There is always a reason behind a phrase like that.hahaha
He is going to kill me now.Hahahaha




LOL, sorry but thats OWNED
Aka Abedin
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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 11:03 pm, by:  Aka Abedin (Soarer_91tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Jeff Smith wrote on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 09:25 pm:

Hahaha ........ But don't laugh as AKA forgot that very thing. Hahaha
On his 1st run he slowed down before the end of the 1/4

There is always a reason behind a phrase like that.hahaha
He is going to kill me now.Hahahaha




Biatch!

Car next to me backed off towards the end so I thought we must have crossed. oh well, never made the same mistake again. I would be chasing a 13.2 after the uni exam period. Cant wait.
Maurice Diggler
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Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 05:13 pm, by:  Maurice Diggler (Mau_rice) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Aka, you newb! It explains a few things though.
Matthew Werner
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Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 06:50 pm, by:  Matthew Werner (Matto_888) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hahaha wow i didn't think it was good for turbos winding 14 pound with stock exhaust?? then again im not exactly a trade qualified mechanic..

werner

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