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Scott Gates
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Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 06:00 pm, by:  Scott Gates (Scotty_001) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well everyone i have had my beast now for almost a year. So i though what a great present it would be if i did an upgrade.

The main part.... the turbo, i have been going through many and many of old threads looking for which option may suit better.

I WILL keep it looking stock as i do not want any hassle from cops. I am not going to go single(This will hurt some feelings), i am aware they will be capable of more power and i would love to go to the single but laws in SA are pathetic.

So i have came down to two options that i can see would be good. Either reconditioned with steel wheels or a Garrett GT28 roller conversion.

I am asking for advice as i am very sure lost of people on here have upgraded and kept twin.
Any other options would be helpful also. I don't have to much knowledge on turbos, so any help is good help.

Also what other mods would accompany this upgrade?

Mods on car at present are only FMIC, boost controller and BFI. I have lined up dump pipes back, Emanage blue, injectors (unsure if needed).

In short:
**Help with turbo upgrade options and other mods to add**

Cheers for all your help
Scott
Daniel Clarke
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Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 07:38 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

GCg do the steel wheel High flow versions... ANd also you could contact ATS about the roller bearing cored turbos but are looking up around 5-6K for those.
Steven Nanevski
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Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 08:42 pm, by:  Steven Nanevski (Imprestik) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Either what Dan said or go the HKS T3G's. I got them installed on my car and it looks completely stock. I just have to drive it now....
Scott Gates
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Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 09:45 pm, by:  Scott Gates (Scotty_001) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are the "hybrid" turbos the roller bearing ones?

I have heard that the T3G's have a bad lag with them, i may be wrong here but that's why i was leaning towards the other two.

What are the max boost and power figures of these three turbos, the 'steel wheel/hi-flow, HKS T3G's, and the GT28 roller conversion'?
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Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 08:02 am, by:  Steven Nanevski (Imprestik) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Scott Gates wrote on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 09:45 pm:

Are the "hybrid" turbos the roller bearing ones?




Yep that's the ones.....

As for lag with the T3G's, I will hopefully let you know in the coming week as I am getting them installed on my car at the moment.

As for boost, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want to run anything over 20psi, but I'm not too sure about that, have to speak to someone like reepa who has these installed, or even Shane McInnes as well who has the hybrids on his car installed.
Shane McInnes
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Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 11:42 am, by:  Shane McInnes (Soarin_tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah i have the Hybrid Turbos from ATS, they cost 3.5K 2yrs ago and were done in Melbourne.

I dont think ATS is in melbourne anymore only S.A?

The GCG hybrids which Manny had cost a little more and i couldnt tell you what the exact difference between the two are?

I would consider mine a little laggy i guess. I dont get Full boost untill around 4300RPM. Full boost is 20psi aswell. Ive been running 20psi for the last 2yrs with no problems, But religiously change oil every 4000-5000kms.

I woulda liked to achieve full boost by atleast 3800rpm. Considering they are roller bearing which should spool up quicker.

Maybe cams will help that. Im currently making 270.8rwkw on these turbos with a very safe tune and im sure i could get more with a few more surporting mods.
Scott Gates
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Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 04:06 pm, by:  Scott Gates (Scotty_001) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow 20psi, yeah i wasn't planning on that high. I was thinking of having presets of stock, 14, 16,18 to flog those common-dore drivers around here. lol

Shane are those all your mods in your profile or has more been added since?
Making 270rwkw that sounds pretty sweet.

I have to pass ATS tomorrow after work so i will probably drop in and see what they think.
Michael Keen
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Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 04:47 pm, by:  Michael Keen (Spoilt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

check out my thread on twin gt17's . i'm very pleased with the setup, there is no lag. more responsive then stock, and keep pushing further. ehhe if i stall up, and let go before smoking the tyres, i can actually nearly beat a wrx of the line :-) it hits hard. i measured a 13.2 on 7psi :-)
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Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 05:23 pm, by:  Scott Gates (Scotty_001) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Michael,

I had a look at your thread the other day, and it sounds great. Throws another spanner in the works.

I am still leaning towards the HKS T3G's or the Hybrid setup at this stage, as they still look stock and will be a real sleeper.

But still have many things to consider first.
Daniel Clarke
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Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 06:24 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

IT dont count unless its at the strip Michael:-)
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Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 07:25 pm, by:  Michael Keen (Spoilt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Daniel Clarke wrote on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 06:24 pm:

IT dont count unless its at the strip Michael:-)




soon enough my friend

Scott Gates wrote on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 05:23 pm:

Hey Michael,

I had a look at your thread the other day, and it sounds great. Throws another spanner in the works.

I am still leaning towards the HKS T3G's or the Hybrid setup at this stage, as they still look stock and will be a real sleeper.

But still have many things to consider first.




the setup cost me 800 bucks, i all ready had the turbos, but when i did get them it cost me 450 for both of them..

will dyno soon, and we shall see if worth it..


the meter i had the read 13.2 was sumthing little speedo thing, works of the odometer, and counts 400m whilst timing then stops at 400m so it pretty acurate, unless my speedo out :-)
Shane McInnes
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Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 09:21 pm, by:  Shane McInnes (Soarin_tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Scott Gates wrote on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 04:06 pm:

Wow 20psi, yeah i wasn't planning on that high. I was thinking of having presets of stock, 14, 16,18 to flog those common-dore drivers around here. lol

Shane are those all your mods in your profile or has more been added since?
Making 270rwkw that sounds pretty sweet.

I have to pass ATS tomorrow after work so i will probably drop in and see what they think.





Yeah i have had a couple mods more i havnt updated my profile in ages. The only new mods i have that made me achieve 270rwkw was 2x Trust/Greddy Cam Gears and i had my std blow off valve complety blocked off (it seemed for sometime i was losing boost through there, but didnt know, once that was blocked off we put it on the dyno and got 260rwkw then a extra 10rwkw with the cam gears)

Oh and i replaced the back half of my exahust from 2.5inch pipping to 3inch piping (I personally didnt feel a change in power when doing this, it was mainly to make the car sound a little beefier)



Id still like to get a aftermarket fuel pump, cams, 100mm FMIC, HKS Dli System, Bigger Injectors and a agressive tune maybe bump it up to 22-23psi Im sure those mods would get me over the 300rwkw. (Thought i would add my engine has 260,000kms aswell)


With my car being a Manual i dont tend to feel the lag so its pretty good. Reepa may be able to tell you how his car goes with the Auto (as he has the same turbos)

I think he managed 300rwkw on these turbos.
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Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 03:11 pm, by:  George Funa (Fun001) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Other than TG3's , T28's and Micheal's GT17 are there any other types of twin turbo setups that will work well from other car manufacturers or turbo brands. The reason I ask this question is that I was recommended by a mate to use a couple skyline turbos
Scott Gates
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Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 07:47 pm, by:  Scott Gates (Scotty_001) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok today i got a few quotes from ATS, GCG, and MTQ.

ATS: hybrids - $1650 each
steel wheel - $1150 each

GCG: hybrids - $1650 each
steel wheel - $1200 each

MTQ: hybrids - $1800 each
steel wheel - $1150 each

For the steel wheels to be hi-flowed it was around $300 each on top of the cost.
Daniel Clarke
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Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 08:11 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thats some seriously good prices!

Thanks for the info mate.
Scott Gates
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Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 08:19 pm, by:  Scott Gates (Scotty_001) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah i thought it was pretty good.

Only real difference between places is MTQ's hybrids.
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Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 09:27 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Askt hem this question....

Are the Hybrids, Ball bearing Centres or 360 degree thrust bearings?
Scott Gates
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Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 09:42 pm, by:  Scott Gates (Scotty_001) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I will..

But what is the difference?
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Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 09:52 pm, by:  Shane McInnes (Soarin_tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Very cheap prices from GCG considering there Hybrids were atleast 1500 - 2000 dollars dearer back when i got quotes.

If i were you Scott id ask the questions that Daniel said, make sure they are ball bearing centres. If they are id personally go with GCG if thats the case, they were the original guys who made this turbo setup for Mannys car and he made 340rwkw. With GCG Hybrids.


P.S its not worth going Steel wheeled turbos unless you go Hi Flowed Steel Wheeled. Performance wise that is. You will never make more power with just steel wheels (as they are heavier, only advantage is they will last longer and you put more boost through them. Highly recommended to spend the extra on High flowing them)

Steel wheels generally max out at 250 - 260rwkw
Hi Flowed Steel wheels generally max out at 270-280rwkw
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Friday, January 25, 2008 - 06:30 am, by:  Rob Andreacchio (Reepa) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Scott Gates wrote on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 07:47 pm:

GCG: hybrids - $1650 each




Dont forget about the cost of new oil and water lines too. the factory ones will no longer line up.
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Friday, January 25, 2008 - 06:40 pm, by:  Scott Gates (Scotty_001) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok both ATS and GCG are ball bearing centres. Havn't heard back from MTQ as yet.

What is better of the two, 'ball bearing centres' or the '360 degrees thrust bearings'?

And Rob i heard that too but wasn't sure, but its good for clarification. I wouldn't think they could cost to much, or am i wrong...
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Friday, January 25, 2008 - 06:56 pm, by:  Shane McInnes (Soarin_tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ball bearing is better. They will spool up faster then the 360 degrees thrust bearing.

A couple hundred dollars for the oil lines i got Maltech to supply them to me, As i think they had the measurments from Rob or ATS.

I didnt get water lines made up, i just used rubber hose which isnt recommended as one of them split the other week and my car over heated from losing fluid (not enough to cause damage though thankfully)
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Friday, January 25, 2008 - 07:03 pm, by:  Scott Gates (Scotty_001) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah i though a few hundred would cover them.
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Friday, January 25, 2008 - 07:17 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Shane McInnes wrote on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 06:56 pm:

I didnt get water lines made up, i just used rubber hose which isnt recommended as one of them split the other week and my car over heated from losing fluid (not enough to cause damage though thankfully)




Moral of the Story Shane???

DONt Trust RUBBERS!!!!!!!!!!

HAhahahahaha! Thats an Awsome price for Ball Bearing Turbos :-) I know which ones i would choose!

Also check to see what kind of sizes they chucking in their! Just trying to help.
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Friday, January 25, 2008 - 07:35 pm, by:  Scott Gates (Scotty_001) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah i think i am leaning towards them now more than the other options.

Better than steel wheels and gives me more freedom.

I will probably end up getting it done at ATS as its local, so if i need anything extra they're close. Also Bill the owner was really helpful in discussing the turbo options with me.

I should really make up a list of questions to ask....

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