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Steven Nanevski
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Monday, January 28, 2008 - 12:25 am, by: Steven Nanevski (Imprestik)

Oh and I add, to the rest of you people out there who are contemplating on going a single setup on their 1JZ's, take note, do the job once and do it right, spend a little more money like Jeff Smith and Ben Burgess and whoever else out there and use the well known manufacturer's. Haven't heard 1 bad thing from these 2 gentlemen who have done the conversion correct.

Also to the manufacturer of these Hypergear products who is also on the forum, pull your head in and get your product sorted out, because all I hear as of late is not good for your business.

Jeff Smith
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Monday, January 28, 2008 - 09:08 am, by: Jeff Smith (Mozzie)

Well said Stevo!

I agree,Hypergear need to sort out there problems in order to continue to sell there product to the soarer or 1jz community.
A good business will want to know results and rectify defects or problems in order to improve.At the moment it only looks like Hypergear want just sale's.This will only last for a short wile.

I would like to see Hypergear respond to this thread and maybe offer some assistance with this problem.That's if they really care!

Daniel Clarke
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Monday, January 28, 2008 - 10:01 am, by: Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain)

Yeah, He was Fast on here trying to show people how good these things were gonna be.. BUT now they are showing too many continual issues, Hes a no show?

Charlie Ters
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Monday, January 28, 2008 - 10:59 am, by: Charlie Ters (Ul05st)

Daniel Clarke wrote on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 10:01 am:
He was Fast on here trying to show people how good these things were gonna be.. BUT now they are showing too many continual issues, Hes a no show?

....

that is the one reason i made this thread.... not as an act of 'defamation' but as a precautionary act for other people and what to 'look out' for when cutting corners that end-up never existing......

Benjamin Burgess
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Monday, January 28, 2008 - 12:44 pm, by: Benjamin Burgess (Jampac)

My one has been fitted for nearly 2 years, no problems. Only thing was a very small leak (so small took near a year before you could see there was a small leak) from the v-band of the wastegate, which was fixed recently by just refitting it again, simple fix.

Oh and for those interested it's for sale in the for sale section for $3600. Think low 11's without any drama.

Charlie Ters
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Monday, January 28, 2008 - 08:27 pm, by: Charlie Ters (Ul05st)

heres a little pic of progress so far......

sooooooo mucccchhhh more to go

(around 5k worth.......)

for some reason the oil pressure message is displayed on cool (not necessarly only cold) start up for one sec at the start... this was occuring on mobil one 5/50 (prior to single conversion....once every 6 strtups), but now it always occurs with the single + SIN 5/60 oil......
should i be worried? or ignore as its only for a split second (when oils needed most

) .....
(for the record, i am running NO oil cooler ect)

Benjamin Burgess
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Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 08:19 am, by: Benjamin Burgess (Jampac)

I use penzoil 10w-30 or 10w-40. I sometimes use the nulon stuff that is 10w-30. Always stick with a 10w, but change the last bit between 30 and 50 depending on the weather and what you intend to do with the car. Only time I've ever seen the oil pressure message was when I didn't fill it up enough.

Tao Shangguan
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Melbourne
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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 01:35 am, by: Tao Shangguan (Hypergear)

Its good to read up on the thread to find out some knowing issues. The manifold that most of you are using is the manifold from NPower.

From this complete kit our product in it is the Turbocharger and the external wastegate. Every thing else were out sourced.

As for the Manifold gasket as one of the member complaint, Normally we don't give out those gaskets from NPower. Use original Toyota gaskets you shouldn't have issues. We were running 25PSI on our R&D cars and yes normal gasket did got burnt after few laps, We had to cut stainless steel to make our custom gaskets. That’s also one of the reasons that we use V-band.

But Either way, We can build a turbo that capable of flow what ever power, But installing the parts, supporting mods and to reach the max power level of the turbo is going to cost dearly doesn't matter what ever that turbo it is. Plus a work shop mechanic will not work for free, so even you might come up with a better fit bolt on kit you will still end up paying heaps for labor. On the end of the day, our kit is still a cheaper alternative for power.

The manifold choice is very limited and no one wants spend that $1000 to build that optional steam pipe manifold.

We charge $1000 for complete installation in Mel Vic including all exhaust work. As for the oil return line, Just get that for $30 from Nissan (same as VL turbo’s oil return) and oil return pipe you can get them for $80 / Meter from local Pirtek store.

Instead of the 38mm 4 bolt wastegate which bolt on to the Npower manifold we supplied a 50mm gate considering its likely to spike running high power, so yes there is going to be mark around, but the out come will be lot safer.

We do apologize for any of those unconvinced caused from installing this turbokit. It looks like the manifold is the main issue We will try to make up our own manifold in near future.

But any way, people who’s running our kit should get some good drag results after installation and tuning.

This is a 12.1 sec 1J using TR44 Standard from Chir's crowna. no Nos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x2cArxCjjo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr5LDzdkFus

Chris Davey
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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 02:14 am, by: Chris Davey (Chris_davey)

I think one of the issues is that a kit can't really be made for all 1jz vehicles as they are slightly different. I can't comment on the manifold etc. as I am using my old trust manifold. This is from a jza70 kit but I had to get it modded to fit as a corona is a tad different

If all goes to plan, I will be running my car with nitrous when i get back and then swapping to a TR44HF and getting some back to back dyno and track testing done. Should be very interesting

Jeff Smith
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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 09:19 am, by: Jeff Smith (Mozzie)

Good to see that you intend to fix this problem Tao!
This thread is intended to help those that intend to buy this kit and the one's that supply this kit,Finding the problems with feedback can make this kit a better product.....
Hi chris! Well done on your result.Gotta ask though,Was that 12sec pass done with NOS?
For the manifold,majority of people on this forum that is interested with this kit "Own soarer's" so by improving on the design to fit the soarer,You will see more of these kit's sold.
The manifold design from the ground up will be costly.It will be interesting if the total price of the kit is increased to out way the cost of the manifold.....Only time will tell,Good too see there is progress in customer service!

Chris Davey
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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 11:21 am, by: Chris Davey (Chris_davey)

haha, hell no. Looking for a high 10@125-126mph with a 50 shot when I get back from Japan :-)

Cihan Aday
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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 01:06 pm, by: Cihan Aday (Cihan)

Tao Shangguan wrote on Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 01:35 am:

As for the Manifold gasket as one of the member complaint, Normally we don't give out those gaskets from NPower. Use original Toyota gaskets you shouldn't have issues. We were running 25PSI on our R&D cars and yes normal gasket did got burnt after few laps, We had to cut stainless steel to make our custom gaskets. That’s also one of the reasons that we use V-band.

Toa,

Its easy to change your story when you've inconvenienced a member and cost him hundreds of dollars in labor.

You admitted to Morgan Cross that gasket blowouts were a common occurrence on your research car, you told him it always happens in 'high performance applications'.

Now that Morgan goes public you agree the melting gaskets you palm off with your kits are eBay bulk specials. Sorry but people that buy your products shouldn't be the test genie pigs.

Tao Shangguan wrote on Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 01:35 am:
But Either way, We can build a turbo that capable of flow what ever power, But installing the parts, supporting mods and to reach the max power level of the turbo is going to cost dearly doesn't matter what ever that turbo it is.

Just the fact that your turbo's came (or still come) with non-functional internal wastegates conveys you have little or no control over product development or subsequent quality standards. Don't try to paint a pretty picture by saying you can design turbochargers to suit a given performance application, when it really means asking the mob at Rotomaster to supply a suitable Garrett and tack on a hypergear build plate. You wouldn't know a VSR if one grew wings and followed you home!

Just remember this is a Private forum; unless you intend on selling working "kits" with after purchase support and the warranty you promise - Go Away, i don't want you littering the Mechanical TT section with misinformation or your beguiling ways.

Ben Socratous
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SA
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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 03:56 pm, by: Ben Socratous (Socrates)

Tao Shangguan
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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 03:57 pm, by: Tao Shangguan (Hypergear)

Cihan Aday. Your comment is very rough and very wrong. And We can prove you wrong.

Here's a photo of our simulator in Korea:
http://www.digi-hardware.com/turbo/factory/testing.JPG

and they are simulated again here before they goes into customer's hands.

We do work with Rotomasters and MTQs so what, It does not matter who we work with or where we get the job done. It is only important that the finished product serves its purpose.

And what made you think our turbos are ebay specials. Get that ebay special turbo run some Nos and do few drag and drift laps and see what happens. Our turbos' been tracked, drifted and street used for years without any isses

The Internal wastege do work with smaller engines but not recommended for high powered applications that that is why it was sold with external wastegate. I do no believe this should be a argument issue.

The main concern is the manifold's external wastege pipe which we will research into later in the yar.

Daniel Clarke
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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 04:34 pm, by: Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain)

WHy do the research " Later " in the year when its a current problem ? DOes this mean you will be selling these same manifolds which are warped and will have a wastegate pipe still too long?

Maybe you should find someone else to get your manifolds from. Clearly there is someone else out there that may want to jump on your bandwagon.

Tao Shangguan
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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 04:38 pm, by: Tao Shangguan (Hypergear)

I just had a chat with Cihan, for the comming up customer We will pay for all modifications to suit and make a spare to copy.

For the moment we will just have to get customers to find their own manifolds.

Daniel Clarke
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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 05:34 pm, by: Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain)

Probably a good idea bud

Benjamin Burgess
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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 05:46 pm, by: Benjamin Burgess (Jampac)

Could send you broke but going by what has happened.

Chris Davey
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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 06:24 pm, by: Chris Davey (Chris_davey)

Yeah probably a good idea. People know the issues that may occur when using ebay manifolds so give them the choice. I would be willing to bet that a fair percentage of people would end up buying an ebay manifold anyway. But give them the choice I guess.

Maurice Diggler
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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 06:30 pm, by: Maurice Diggler (Mau_rice)

I've gone through hell with this manifold, endless dramas

Mine was warped like a banana from end to end and had a nasty twist in it as well, I ended up paying $800 in total to have the turbo set up stripped, manifold machined, wastegate pipe shortened by 3"+, new gaskets and labour to put it back on.

After all of that you say "Oh, we'll look into a new manifold design by the end of the year"

Simply not good enough.

Kyle Wathen
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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 07:07 pm, by: Kyle Wathen (Cspot)

Tao you shouldn't have sold any manifolds that you knew did not fit correctly. Its just plain dodgy that you advertise these as a bolt on kit, when clearly there are several major design issues. You should have at least made it clear at the time of purchase there were issues with the kit. If you weren't previously aware of these issues you should be taking steps to help your customers rectify these issues, rather than blowing it off and saying you'll look into it later.

Its not good enough to pass the blame onto your suppliers, you should take responsibility for your own product. It doesn't reflect very well on your commitment to quality, rather it looks like your out to make a quick sale with no after sales support or quality control.

Tao Shangguan wrote on Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 03:57 pm:
It does not matter who we work with or where we get the job done. It is only important that the finished product serves its purpose.

Maybe you should action what you preach? As a sign of good faith to your customers, you should reimburse at least the actual cost of modifying YOUR manifolds that YOU supply and the cost of supplementary parts e.g. proper gaskets.

I think the next steps you take in relation to firstly resolving issues with current customers and secondly improving product quality, will greatly affect any potential sales from the 1JZ community.

Brian Timms
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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 07:25 pm, by: Brian Timms (Turbo_brian)

Tao Shangguan wrote on Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 03:57 pm:
Cihan Aday. Your comment is very rough and very wrong. And We can prove you wrong.

Here's a photo of our simulator in Korea:
http://www.digi-hardware.com/turbo/factory/testing.JPG

and they are simulated again here before they goes into customer's hands.

Tao, Cihan was commenting about the gasket problems that have been admitted to, and experienced time again from customers, and your coing back telling him he is wrong and showing proof of how you test the turbocharger....

Nice proof, consider me NOT a customer of yours in the future.

B.

Paul Fitzsimmons
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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 08:26 pm, by: Paul Fitzsimmons (Oztif)

Interesting reading for sure.
I just had a look at Hypergear website and saw that they also sell mountain bikes, K-mart quality by the looks and specs.
And people buy turbo kits from them?

Tao Shangguan
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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 09:33 pm, by: Tao Shangguan (Hypergear)

Well our main focus is on turbochargers, We only produce turbochargers and wastegate at this stage. We are continuing to research to make them even better.

As for the 1J turbokits it is no longer avialble unless you want it installed with custom steam pipe manifolds

For who ever that has one of those manifolds with the turbokit, You are welcome to send it back for $350 refund.

and Paul Fitzsimmons: In regarding to bicycles they are Apollo made high standard bikes with all original parts which you will not see in K-Mart. So don't beg before seen the product.

Drew Rechner
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Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 09:42 pm, by: Drew Rechner (Drew1jz)

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