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Gary Rollason
Tinkerer
Qld
TT

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Reg: 05-2007

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Sunday, March 09, 2008 - 05:16 pm, by:  Gary Rollason (Garyr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just did the water pump and timing belt replacement and everything went relatively smoothly for a first timer.
But now the car idles smoothly, and drives as normal at low revs but as soon as I get it over about 4000rpm it starts to cough and fart and backfire.
I've since read a tutorial on toymods about performing 100000km service. In it they mark the timing belt at three positions aligning with the timing marks on the crank and cams so that they can be sure that the timing is correct once re-assembled.
Well I didn't do this (Doh!) but I don't think the timing is out because it idles and drives OK at low revs.

So, does anyone know if one of the cams were out by one cog on the timing belt would it be immediately obvious, or would it only be noticeable at high revs or under load?

The other possibility we are considering is the crank angle sensor may be faulty, but this would be a bit odd because the car was running perfectly before I pulled it apart.

There are no boost leaks, this was the first thing we looked for.

I am also getting the engine electrical error message on the dash. When we did the diagnostics it came up with ECT NG and EFI NG messages. I did a search here about these messages but couldn't find anything helpful. Does anyone know what they mean? We double checked all connections that we had to undo for the pull down.
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder

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Sunday, March 09, 2008 - 05:51 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, If the timing is out, it WILL behave in the manner you are explaining.
Neil Griffiths
Goo Roo
NSW
I have a Cadillac and a Supercharged Manual V8

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Sunday, March 09, 2008 - 08:04 pm, by:  Neil Griffiths (Aussiesc) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You ARE 1 tooth out in the timing. RE-Do it.
Gary Rollason
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Qld
TT

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Sunday, March 09, 2008 - 09:06 pm, by:  Gary Rollason (Garyr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What is the best way to work out which cog is out by one tooth?
Logic says it's the crank (mates logic )
We lined up the harmonic balancer to TDC and the cam marks appeared to be in the correct positions.
I will strip it back down tomorrow arv and see if we can re-align all timing marks.
Joe Radisic
DieHard
WA
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Sunday, March 09, 2008 - 11:43 pm, by:  Joe Radisic (Joe) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Make sure you have TDC on the comp cycle feel for air blowing through the first spark plug as it comes to TDC.
Gary Rollason
Tinkerer
Qld
TT

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Monday, March 10, 2008 - 07:49 am, by:  Gary Rollason (Garyr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How do I make sure the cams are lined up properly?
I don't want to take the cam covers off if I can help it.

Would they both be out by one tooth or only one of them? (I'm thinking/hoping it's both)
Gary Rollason
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Qld
TT

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Tuesday, March 11, 2008 - 09:18 am, by:  Gary Rollason (Garyr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yup, one tooth out on the cams. All good now.

Anybody contemplating doing this job should read the following tutorial on the toy mods forum first. (I didn't find it till after the fact, would have saved a lot of time and a bit of angst)

If the link doesn't work you can search the Tech and Conversions threads for the following: "GUIDE timing belt and water pump replacement JZZ90 soarer 100000km service"

http://toymods.net/forums/showthread.php?t=14262&highlight=replacing+timing+belt+water+pump
Karl Martin
Tinkerer
ACT
TT manual

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Reg: 01-2007

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Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 03:50 pm, by:  Karl Martin (Karl) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey I did the timing belt / water pump last week seemed to go smoothly I'm almost certain the timing is correct because the car drives as smoothly as before right through the rev range.

Every now and again at completely random times the lights on the dash light up always the same four and either disappear instantly or stay on for a few seconds.

The problem didn't happen until a few drives after I put everything back together, it was fine saturday sunday monday but today the lights started appearing occasionally. Does anyone know what this means?
Brian Timms
Goo Roo
New South Wales
TT Soarer Goodness.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 03:59 pm, by:  Brian Timms (Turbo_brian) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gary, the cogs have markings, the back plate has markings, then NEED to be aligned when the 1st cylinder is at TDC.

If in doubt, you have done most of it, you can get someone to come and check it, a mobile mechy or similar.

B.
Peter Nitschke
JunkFilterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31

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Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 04:01 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Also check and tighten your battery terminals.
Karl Martin
Tinkerer
ACT
TT manual

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Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 04:36 pm, by:  Karl Martin (Karl) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry guys ignore my post I double checked the bolt on the alternator wire...the one that fell off in my fingers, perhaps a reminder not to fix the car at night after a 12 hour shift
Peter Nitschke
JunkFilterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31

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Alex Aguirre
Newbie
Victoria
2.5 Twin Turbo/Manual

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Reg: 12-2006

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Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 01:45 pm, by:  Alex Aguirre (Impackto) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just put in my soarer TT in for a 100000km service. Its going to cost me 1200 for the whole job. Do you think that is a fair price or am i getting ripped off!
Jeff Bedsor
TryHard
QLD
TT

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Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 01:54 pm, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ripped off, you can do the majority of it yourself, fluids etc. The only slightly difficult part is the timing belt.
Peter Nitschke
JunkFilterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31

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Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 04:19 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sounds expensive for a TT, but not for a V8 as it's a lot more involved.
Alex Aguirre
Newbie
Victoria
2.5 Twin Turbo/Manual

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Friday, June 06, 2008 - 02:10 pm, by:  Alex Aguirre (Impackto) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks guys, Thats what I was thinking.. I want to do the timing belt by following the steps on the toyomods site

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