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Todd Williams
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Friday, January 13, 2006 - 01:50 pm, by: Todd Williams (Jza70_r)

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Thought it might be a good idea to check up on people that participated in this group buy.

Perhaps information from this thread can be used by those that havn't had time to install their kit yet, like me.

:-)

How did the installation go?

What extra materials/equipment was required?

How much extra oil was required to compensate the new lines and cooler?

Will the dipsticks still show the correct oil level, and will that depend on where the lowest point of the kit is mounted?

Where did people mount the relocater and are they happy with that location (obviously you are restricted to where you can mount it by the length of the oil lines.)

Is a Thermostat required to prevent over-cooling of the engine oil in certain circumstances?

Thanks.

Avin Luther
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Friday, January 13, 2006 - 03:23 pm, by: Avin Luther (Lex_luther)

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just another question out of curiosity. I read recently of a project car fitting an oil filter relocation kit, and using a different filter as the kit was not specific to that vehicle. Are oil filters designed for specific vehicles / oil viscosity? or is it simple a mattter of the manufacturer using a design that "fits" that vehicle.

Mustafa Akgul
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Friday, January 13, 2006 - 05:00 pm, by: Mustafa Akgul (Muzzy)

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some pics of mine

http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/126/14134.html

Mustafa Akgul
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Friday, January 13, 2006 - 07:29 pm, by: Mustafa Akgul (Muzzy)

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some pics of the oil filter relocation
by doing it like this i eliminated the coiled up oil lines if mounted elsewere.

i got two 90 degree elbow fitments so i can mount the cooler in position without bending the lines at a cost of $32 from Pirtek
apart from that made the three brackets to mount the filter and cooler at 0 cost.

i used a touch more than 0.5 ltr of oil after the installation.

ive got the temp sensor hooked up and ill report back on the temps currenlty without the cooler.

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Simon Triantafillou
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Friday, January 13, 2006 - 11:10 pm, by: Simon Triantafillou (Soarer)

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Not too bad Mus. Will have to check it out next week. I still haven't installed mine yet.

Mustafa Akgul
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Friday, January 13, 2006 - 11:38 pm, by: Mustafa Akgul (Muzzy)

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mate it was a headache figuring out were to put the bloody thing.

the cooler just fits in the LH air duct.

btw went for a drive without the cooler and got some tempo readings from the non cooler version.

on normal driving i had a consistent 89c when booted half throttle i got as high as 94c

will be interesting to see how much the cooler will bring this down to.

when initially the engine is started and gets to the halfway mark on the water temp i had 50c

it takes roughly 20 mins before oil reaches 89 c

fyi..

:-)

Ryan Rankovic
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Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 12:35 am, by: Ryan Rankovic (Ryan1j)

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is 94c safe? what temp is unnaceptable?

Mustafa Akgul
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Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 10:03 am, by: Mustafa Akgul (Muzzy)

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Ryan Rankovic wrote on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 12:35 am:
is 94c safe?

well i dont know is the simple answer..

never looked at oil temp before so i have nothing to compare it to.unless we get someone else to do the same test without the cooler.

Greg Manson
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Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 11:55 am, by: Greg Manson (Greg93tt)

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I haven't fitted mine yet, I'm planning to have a go on Monday. I like the idea of the relocator there Mus i may just do that.

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Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 10:48 pm, by: Mustafa Akgul (Muzzy)

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installed the cooler today using the new 90 degree elbows and fit perfectly.very happy with end result.also used some insulation on the pipes were it mite rub against rubber hoses also used zip ties to tidy up the pipes along the way.

i suggest you get the correct spanners to tighten the pipes beforehand.

the hardest part is tightening the pipes were the old filter was.it is hard to get a spanner up there.i am not that happy as i couldnt tighten them up as much as i would have liked.

will tend to that when i get back.
also will report back on oil temps tomorrow as i havnt driven it yet.

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Mustafa Akgul
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Monday, January 16, 2006 - 12:06 am, by: Mustafa Akgul (Muzzy)

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Monday, January 16, 2006 - 08:32 pm, by: Mustafa Akgul (Muzzy)

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hmmm after fitting the cooler and taking it for a drive im baffled a little as the temps seems to be more stable but i hit 94c albeit stationery once on the freeway it took about 10 mins to get it down to 91c

it usually stays around 88 but in any driving situation in the rain today i couldnt see anything lower than these temps its baffling as i was close to these temps without the cooler fitted.

Benjamin Burgess
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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 02:35 pm, by: Benjamin Burgess (Jampac)

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I've got dna motorsport to install my one which I think they got around today after a long christmas break. We are installing it differently, to how the lines make you install it, the cooler is in the same spot but the filter is going to be close to were the gearbox is at the bottom side of the engine. We are doing this so when I go to change the oil there is no engine parts for it to drop onto just straight into a tray. Unfortunately to do this I've had to get some new shorter lines made up to suit. It also makes it very easy for a mechanic on a hoise to change the oil.

Gary Morriss
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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 03:18 pm, by: Gary Morriss (Gaza)

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Try A track day muzz,then see what the temp goes to!, probably just like the tranny cooler, only a benefit when pushing the car hard!

main reason why i got one.
Haven't fitted mine yet,

Mustafa Akgul
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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 12:39 am, by: Mustafa Akgul (Muzzy)

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Gary Morriss wrote on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 03:18 pm:
Try A track day muzz,then see what the temp goes to!, probably just like the tranny cooler, only a benefit when pushing the car hard!

main reason why i got one.
Haven't fitted mine yet,

i think its not getting enough air seems to me that air is escaping around the sides of the cooler ill have to duct some air into it.

Benjamin Burgess
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Friday, January 20, 2006 - 10:12 pm, by: Benjamin Burgess (Jampac)

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Saw my setup tonight, its as I described with cooler out front and filter under the car. Can easily get to the filter without even jacking up the car and it shouldn't drop any oil in the engine bay when changed. Unfortunately I had to get some new speedflow lines made up to do this. This is a very generic kit, only part made for the soarer is the filter relocation fitting which is probably a copy of an earls fitting. Kit is cheap, but lots of stuffing around to fit it.

I'll get some pics of it tomorrow.

Ben Evans
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Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 09:56 am, by: Ben Evans (Sbyder)

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where did you get the relocator from Ben?

Stephen J Coff
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Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 01:14 pm, by: Stephen J Coff (Coffee)

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Guys,
I haven't seen the start of the thread and jumping in a little rudely though just a suggestion and some things to keep in mind.
You need to know the manufactures temperature requirements for the design of the motor as the tolerances and clearances were all made for a certain temperature and therefore expected expansion size. Secondly you need to know how much the standard system flows, because if this cooler has less restriction across the core the oil might have a lot more surface contact to cool though it may be passing through the cooler core so fast that the oil has no time to cool, leaving temperatures that could be the same or higher ?

Basically the temperatures need to be at the right point or if the oil is cooler the parts in turn are cooler, the cooler the parts the less the expand and the more play and movement between the engine components which could cause some serious wear and problems.
If you find the core is flowing to much hence higher or the same temperature readings try this.

Buy some slightly smaller cheap hose from your local auto shop and fit it on the outlet side of the cooler. This will restrict the flow a little and hold the oil in the core a little longer. In turn this should lower the temperatures. If this does, you know one thing. The cores has a low resistance (larger than required vein size) designed for larger flow.
If this is the case you just need to slow the oil down, so get another hose made up in the smaller size. I would assume the filter is on the outlet side of the core which means the pressure will be increased entering the filter, so just check it's not to high. How high is to high across the filter? I don't know, though the manufacture should be able to tell you with a phone call.
Should we come to the point that restricting the flow with a smaller hose decreases the temperature though raises the pressure to high across the filter? you really need to get a different core though you could look at swapping the position of the filter to before the cooler.
Though this should be fine just check the filters optimum temp range though i would be surprised if anything under 100deg would be to high.

I hope this advice is of some assistance ?

Regards

Stephen

Dan McColl
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Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 10:56 pm, by: Dan McColl (Hoon)

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Putting the filter after the cooler should place a restriction in the outlet of the cooler, thus slowing down the oil.
There will also be a pressure drop across the filter, and the pressure shouldn't get above the oil system pressure at anytime as there should be a bypass after the oil pump to regulate the pressure.

Todd Williams
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Monday, January 23, 2006 - 12:40 am, by: Todd Williams (Jza70_r)

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Good work guys, keep the info flowing. There are still a heap of questions in the initial post not answered...

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Dan McColl
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Monday, January 23, 2006 - 04:11 am, by: Dan McColl (Hoon)

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I think they were all pretty well answered, This is what I got by reading the post:-

The Installations seem to have gone ok without too many problems.

Depending on where you put it you may need some brackets and attachments, some fittings and different oil lines.

About 1L

Yes

Various places to suit individual requirements.

Unlikely, by the sound of it.

:-)

Benjamin Burgess
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Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 02:13 pm, by: Benjamin Burgess (Jampac)

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I finally got some pictures of my setup for the oil cooler and filter relocation kit.

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Don't even need to jack the car up. The filter is basically next to the gearbox. Its were the greddy kits put the filter also. You can see however I had to use different lines to do this.

Todd Williams
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Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 10:55 pm, by: Todd Williams (Jza70_r)

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Greg Manson
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Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 10:29 am, by: Greg Manson (Greg93tt)

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Guys what was the oil filter number that now has to be used with the relocation kit??? I think its the filter that WRX's use but i can't remember the number.

Gary Morriss
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Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 04:16 pm, by: Gary Morriss (Gaza)

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