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Daniel Clarke
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Monday, November 26, 2007 - 10:40 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Or you can just run a Decent Catco Metal Cat like me... 200 cell and flows the goods. Ive run the numbers to prove it flows really well.

And yeah, the fine aint worth it on the street.. Although, ive thought about making a decat pipe for the strip.... but dont think it would do much.

1 way to find out i guess.
Simon Triantafillou
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Soarer Turbo

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Monday, November 26, 2007 - 10:41 pm, by:  Simon Triantafillou (Soarer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm able to pull 380kW with a 76mm thick cooler. Why do people always over-state intercooler requirements?
The other dimensions of my cooler are 600x276, so it isn't any longer than a standard FMIC kit.
Tao Shangguan
Tinkerer
Melbourne
TT

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Monday, November 26, 2007 - 10:50 pm, by:  Tao Shangguan (Hypergear) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well. I made 246KWs with 76mm cooler, and 261 with 100mm cooler, same boost, same map, same dyno, same day. Put on your hand on the throttle body side of piping and you will notice its cooler with the 100mm core.

And yes in my CA I made 180kws with hi-flow cat (I think its a one) and 230kws no cat.
Benjamin Burgess
Goo Roo
NSW
Toyota Soarer GT-TL, Toyota Corolla Conquest

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Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 07:50 am, by:  Benjamin Burgess (Jampac) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tao, you could also put that down to one intercooler, the 76mm one being full of oil build up from blow by and the other being a fresh clean intercooler.

I had a increase of sorts on the same intercooler, just by pulling it out, cleaning all the insides and running up on a dyno again, and my engine barely gets any blow by.

As for the dyno graph, it's been posted around this forum. I'm currently getting it tuned again as I have crower cams, cam gears, straight thru exhaust to tune in now, as well as a 150 shot of Nitrous.
Cihan Aday
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Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 10:23 am, by:  Cihan Aday (Cihan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Simply get the biggest intercooler of the highest quality you can afford (and fit). If a straight 3inch pipe flows X cfm, anything under that is a restriction. A larger core can soak more heat for a longer period of time under constant throttle.

The hight and thickness (300x76) of the core impacts flow rate. The length (600mm) dictates efficiency and impacts flow rate depending on the coolers internal design.


Simon Triantafillou wrote on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 10:41 pm:

I'm able to pull 380kW with a 76mm thick cooler. Why do people always over-state intercooler requirements?



Who says it wouldn't do better with a larger core of the same quality though Simon?


Tao Shangguan wrote on Friday, November 16, 2007 - 10:06 am:

Air can pass throu at 20PSI thats not major issue. Just it will increase the ehxuast temp. standard TR43 hits exhaust temp of 700 degrees, and TR43HF hits around 850 degrees. It can not allow to pass 950 degrees as steel will start to crack.


Exhaust gas temperature has no direct link to turbo size. Ignition advance and fuelling can keep temperatures within reason no matter how much power the engines making or how much boost is going through.

This is why we re-tune for different turbochargers..
Simon Triantafillou
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer Turbo

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Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 10:59 am, by:  Simon Triantafillou (Soarer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Cihan Aday wrote on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 10:23 am:

Who says it wouldn't do better with a larger core of the same quality though Simon?




It's more the fact that people keep claiming that the intercooler is holding them back when they haven't even surpassed 300kW. A 100mm cooler is a bit overkill on a sub 300kW setup, not to mention the extra weight incurred.
Cihan Aday
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Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 11:25 am, by:  Cihan Aday (Cihan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good point Simon, but with all of the cheap crap out there these days the extra core thickness goes a long way.

A lot of setups on the edge of 300rwkw running 1JZ's will break that margin with a better intercooler.

Id say they weigh another 500-1000g over a 76mm core of the same dimensions, hardly a sacrifice.
Benjamin Burgess
Goo Roo
NSW
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Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 11:32 am, by:  Benjamin Burgess (Jampac) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've thought about changing my one. However unless I could get a direct bolt in to the existing pipes, then I wouldn't even bother.
Tao Shangguan
Tinkerer
Melbourne
TT

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Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 09:04 am, by:  Tao Shangguan (Hypergear) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)



We analyze our R&D turbos on this machine not on cars. And yes, the exhaust temp do gets higher depends on the size of Compressor. So the next thing on R&D is Titanium turbine wheel and shaft.
Braden Murdoch
DieHard
NSW
Cressida 1JZ TT

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Friday, November 30, 2007 - 04:09 pm, by:  Braden Murdoch (Ribfeast) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The intercooler still acts like a giant heatsink, so the bigger the better.
And obviously the more efficient it is, the better.
Charlie Ters
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nsw
TT

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Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 09:45 pm, by:  Charlie Ters (Ul05st) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

sorry for grave digging, but seeing im going ahead with a hypergear transplant, is this the following mods that need to be done to make it work.... (i didnt want to start a new thread) ....

A. wastegate pipe on manifold shortened by half
B. have the lip on the 3inch dump pipe smallend to 2.5 to fit v-band
c. (anything else??)

i also need to know wheter the oil feed line supplied actually fits?, and how did you block the second drain line, as a bolt is too small....

anyhelp will be appreciated, as i need to turn over this conversion in under 7 days due to massive time constraints....
(kit should turn up any day now....)
Maurice Diggler
Goo Roo
Victoria
TR44HF

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Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 10:22 pm, by:  Maurice Diggler (Mau_rice) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Post up a pic of the manifold when you get it and I will tell you if it's exactly the same as mine and needs to be shortened.

Also, I would highly recommend checking if the face of the manifold is flat, Mine wasn't so now I have to remove the whole set up and get the manifold skimmed :-( I have developed a huge exhaust leak. Fun fun.
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo
NSW
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Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 08:26 am, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I guess thats why thye are under 2k for a kit then? The old " you get what you pay for " comes out
Christian Molenda
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QLD
T

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Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 09:34 pm, by:  Christian Molenda (Christof) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Daniel Clarke wrote on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 08:26 am:

I guess thats why thye are under 2k for a kit then? The old " you get what you pay for " comes out




Yep but people just dont listen and will keep doing it.

Glad i used quality bits all the way. 1.5 years on and its still running perfect without any problems, and i cant see anything failing
Maurice Diggler
Goo Roo
Victoria
TR44HF

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Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 09:45 pm, by:  Maurice Diggler (Mau_rice) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I knew it was warped before the job was finished however this was at 6pm on a Saturday night and I had to have the car on the road by Monday or I risked losing my job :-( Being a Saturday night I had no chance of getting it skimmed by Monday so I had to get it all running then organise to get it fixed at a later date.

Works out good now, I can strip it down myself, get it skimmed for $60 then put it all back on. :-) Easy.
Mark O'sullivan
Tinkerer
QLD
1JZ

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Monday, January 21, 2008 - 09:32 pm, by:  Mark O'sullivan (190emerc) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think having to get the manifold skimmed for a kit under $2000 isnt bad.
I just blew one of the twins so im pulling them off now, and putting on the tr44hf i allready have the kit.
And if i need to skim the manifold i can do it myself at work.. easy
Cihan Aday
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Friday, February 15, 2008 - 02:00 pm, by:  Cihan Aday (Cihan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just got back from a minor retune to cater for Morgans new dump pipe setup. Just as a testament to how important dump pipe diameter and design is, his TR44HF is now making 20psi 900rpm earlier in 2nd gear. The new 3" design brings 22psi at 4600rpm with 27degree ambient temps; this should fall a few hundred rpm in winter.

In regards to boost controller settings, we now need less than %36 duty cycle to push 22psi where previously this figure was %46 (on the Blitz SBC).

Air fuel ratio's got leaner today as boost in the high RPM region proved to be more consistent and subsequently higher than normal. The 440's are still running flat out above 5,000rpm.

I think power is easily in the 290rwkw region at 22psi running V-power racing. 2nd-3rd gear gear changes don't feel so good, definitely slipping!
Daniel Clarke
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Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 11:35 am, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Maurice Diggler wrote on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 09:45 pm:

I can strip it down myself, get it skimmed for $60 then put it all back on. Easy.




Yeah but why pay for a custom kit when you have to do all that? Thats whats bull5hit about it.. Its not a kit, and you guys were used as guinea pigs!
Chris Davey
Goo Roo
QLD
Corona

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Sunday, May 04, 2008 - 11:21 am, by:  Chris Davey (Chris_davey) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wasn't sure where to put this. But for anyone who cares. My corona ran
11.04@126mph with 1.71 60ft last night. Track was good, air could have been better. Still running 15psi and a 50shot of nitrous from when it made 276rwkw.

Bloody happy with that but intend on getting a stally go get some good boost off the line to get 60ft down to 1.5's, up the boost to 20psi and hit it with a 75 shot I think. Looking to go mid 10's at 130mph or so :-)
Daniel Clarke
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Sunday, May 04, 2008 - 06:08 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thats Freakin Awsome dude!!! Congrats mate :-) Im thinking you will definately give low 10's a scare with 20psi+70shot+stally my friend...

Will you be keeping the lockup on the convertor? Assuming you dont need such a higher stall with the gas out of the hole? Will you be running a single stage or 2 stage n20?

Hehe, so many questions, hope you dont mind... Been waiting for your car to get into action for so long !

Havent you got a GT35 somewhere ???
Chris Davey
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Corona

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Monday, May 05, 2008 - 11:23 am, by:  Chris Davey (Chris_davey) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks mate :-)

re converter: yeah, MV's upgrade the clutch material in their converters so they will last longer when you lock em up. Eventually I was expecting to stuff the clutches in my stock one. I am thinking the 3200-3400 converter should be a good thing. The car has 4.11's and with the nitrous it revs so bloody quick in first gear there is barely any time to load the engine and make boost. I was trying to short shift first a bit and still changing at 7300rpm.

Still single stage nitrous. No traction issues whatsoever and that was with the tyres at 18psi :-)

Yep, have a gt35r 1.06 on the jzx83 I bought but I can't be stuffed swapping them as a) I think the tr44 will satisfy the power needs and b) can't be stuffed doing/spending money on redoing cooler pipes and exhausts :-)
Daniel Clarke
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Monday, May 05, 2008 - 05:23 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good stuff Chris.. Great to see it all coming together :-)
Chris Davey
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Corona

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Monday, May 05, 2008 - 05:27 pm, by:  Chris Davey (Chris_davey) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

vids from last night :-)

1jz corona vs 07 Liberty
No nitrous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQnC5wu2T-g

11.04@126
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl_7e5DGatw

11.06@126mph
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFsgmSuogH8

11.18@125
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVVps4Ykiiw

hit boost cut on launch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSvPBUILEJM

1jz corona vs 07 Liberty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLR3UWyZV3s
Drew Rechner
TryHard
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JZZ30 TT

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Monday, May 05, 2008 - 07:11 pm, by:  Drew Rechner (Drew1jz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Awesome stuff Chris,

What car were you against in this vid?


Chris Davey wrote on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 05:27 pm:

11.18@125
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVVps4Ykiiw




He took off quick but you still kicked his ass, good stuff
Chris Davey
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Corona

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Monday, May 05, 2008 - 07:21 pm, by:  Chris Davey (Chris_davey) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LS1 Monaro. It was actually a she also :-) She ran
12.11@111mph. Sweet race, over took her in the deep end going 15mph quicker :-)

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