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Dave Cazes
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Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 04:45 pm, by:  Dave Cazes (Cazman) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thermostat - what is the factory opening temperature?

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Brian Timms
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Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 07:02 pm, by:  Brian Timms (Turbo_brian) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It opens at pressure, not temperature.

0.9Bar.

B.
Mustafa Akgul
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Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 08:36 pm, by:  Mustafa Akgul (Muzzy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Brian Timms wrote on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 07:02 pm:

It opens at pressure, not temperature.

0.9Bar.

B.


that is for the radiator cap

the soarer TT usually opens after 88c
Dave Cazes
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Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 01:59 pm, by:  Dave Cazes (Cazman) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So who can supply TRD ones too? I would prefer a stock temp one atm because its a daily driver,
I need to know so i can stage my thermos properly thats all, so i need to know for sure what temp they open at
Jeff Bedsor
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Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 03:13 pm, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I thought the standard opening temp was 82 C, the TRD one I just fitted was 72C.
Peter Nitschke
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Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 04:18 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dave, the thermostat should have it's temperature written on it.
Maurice Diggler
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Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 08:15 pm, by:  Maurice Diggler (Mau_rice) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Jeff Bedsor wrote on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 03:13 pm:

I thought the standard opening temp was 82 C, the TRD one I just fitted was 72C.


The TRD one is 71deg, The C's one is slightly lower again, about 8deg colder than stock.
Jeff Bedsor
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Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 08:29 pm, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maurice you're correct,just checked it was 71C.
Dave Cazes
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Friday, May 30, 2008 - 01:19 pm, by:  Dave Cazes (Cazman) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I havent bought a thermostat yet, but i still have to buy my thermo temp switch so i was trying to get all the info first.

Who sells TRD thermostats as well/?
James Harris
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Friday, May 30, 2008 - 10:09 pm, by:  James Harris (Haro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.nengun.com/trd/sports-thermostat

was about 110AU delivered last time i checked.

I was considering changing my thermostat also but im not sure if there is any real benefits from doing this... perhaps there was in old school cars but in the modern 1jz? Who knows.

I hear it is a royal pain in the ass to change on the TT also. I dont even know where it is. I have converted to single though so it may be easier to get to.
Peter Nitschke
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Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 12:50 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Harro, it's down behind the alternator.
James Harris
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Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 04:00 pm, by:  James Harris (Haro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

YUK !!

In that case it can STAY where it is haha.

I also thought that by by changing the operating temp of an engine could make it run less efficient. As these engines are well engineered and EFI should maintain a constant temp for the best fuel efficiently.

I have not researched any of this , these are just things i have heard in the past.

*puts flame proof jacket on*
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Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 05:04 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Run it a bit cooler, and the ECU should advance timing a bit and richen the mixture. Poor mans power-up, but at the cost of fuel economy.

Easier done with a switchable resistor on the ECU temp sensor (there are 2 sensors, one for the temp gauge), then at least you can switch the power-up off for non-hoon driving.
Daniel Clarke
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Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 05:31 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

James it is a piece of cake!

Jack car up, and go from underneath! Just need a really long extension and Deep 12mm socket! 2 x 12mm bolts is all!

Drain Coolant using tap on radiator. Undo bottom hose from thermostat housing ( dont need to, can leave it attached). remove 2 x 12mm nuts on housing, remove housing!

Reverse for installations.. SImple!
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Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 05:33 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Helps reduce underbonnet temps a little bit, which is a good thing for TT owners. But mainly essential for track days!
Mustafa Akgul
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Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 06:25 pm, by:  Mustafa Akgul (Muzzy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Peter Nitschke wrote on Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 05:04 pm:

Run it a bit cooler, and the ECU should advance timing a bit and richen the mixture. Poor mans power-up, but at the cost of fuel economy.




not so in my TT peter, I have been running a TRD thermostat 71c opening. the temp readings are usually one notch down from the middle.

However the engine oil temp is 90c so it doesnt effect it that badly.

and fuel economy is the same as before I have not seen any difference.
Peter Nitschke
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Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 06:49 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So in effect, engine temperature hasn't really been changed, but you are keeping the coolant cooler?

The ECU temp sensor may be reading the engine temp better as opposed to the gauge sensor that reads coolant temp.

I had a switchable resistor on the ECU sensor for a while, and on the V8 at least, it definitely made a difference, though this didn't show on a dyno - as was expected, as it's mainly changing the power characteristic below where a dyno starts to measure.
Mustafa Akgul
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Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 08:15 pm, by:  Mustafa Akgul (Muzzy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

well it seems so Peter I only have a gauge on the oil I will also put in a gauge for the water and get actual readings.

it seems once oil gets hot it stays hot and is harder to cool than water.

Btw I do use an after market aluminum radiator so I dont know what effect that has..
James Harris
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Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 10:28 pm, by:  James Harris (Haro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Piece of cake hey Daniel !? Thats what i was told when i had to change my boot struts... BAH that was a mission and half!

Its all good but im not really planning on doing this mod anyways as i am sceptical about the performance or engine longlivity (spelling?) this would give anyways. I have never had a drama with my car running hot... SOOO "if it aint broke..."

Interesting topic though none the less.

i think i WILL disconnect the heater hoses going to the inlet manifold though when i get home.
Jeff Bedsor
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Monday, June 02, 2008 - 07:27 am, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You need to be careful of the water temp, from about 75C to 95C on a aftermarket temp gauge the stock gauge does not move from the centre mark. I found that fitting the TRD thermostat dropped coolant temps from about 90C to 80C or a touch less depending on the day.
Ricky Liddy
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Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - 12:07 am, by:  Ricky Liddy (Padrickz88) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi guys,
Sorry about the dig but I thought this info might be helpful to people.


I didn't want to spend $100+ on a TRD thermostat so I did a bit of research when I was doing my major service about a year ago.

Dimensions of thermostat.
27.7mm Foot dia
35mm Height
56mm Flange dia

Had a look through the Tridon parts catalogue and found that TT228-160 (71deg) and TT228-170P (77deg) fit the job.
Cost about $28 from bursons.

Currently using a TT228-160 temp sits one bar to the left of the middle line, just flicks to half way if I'm in peak hour traffic.
Brett Harrison
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Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - 12:17 pm, by:  Brett Harrison (Bretto) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Rick thanks for that,

The Tridon thermos are fine. The good thing is that they are colder but high flow as well. Last time I checked they didn't have a 72 degree for the v8 only a 76.5, might have to check again.
Brett Harrison
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Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - 12:36 pm, by:  Brett Harrison (Bretto) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Looks like the TT281 170 and TT281 180 are for the v8.

Both 56 mm diameter, anyone know std diameter ?
Shane Haverkamp
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Friday, October 03, 2014 - 07:48 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

does this do anything to the cpu for chewing a bit more fuel?

i could be totally bullshitting here but i'm not sure if the ecu still see's the coolant temp being lower then proper operating temp and might let in just a tiny bit more fuel

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