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Shane Haverkamp
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Monday, August 04, 2008 - 06:49 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hi everyone. started a thread in the transmission section but i've moved it onto here as its not really transmission related

i've just done the 100,000k service on my car (timing belt, thermostat, fluids, plugs etc) its a 92 TT auto

when i started it, let it warm up a bit, i reved it out but at 5000rpm it started to vibrate/make noise all the way through to 6000rpm then instantly the noise/vibration would disapear.

this would happen not matter what gear i was in (neutral, park, drive) and what ever speed, my boost gauge was showing i was making 9 - 9 1/2 PSI when i took it for a drive

i doubled checked my timing to find i was out about 5 - 10 degrees, so today i pulled it apart and reset the timing to where it should be at TDC

so i started it up again, let it warm up a bit, slowly reved it out to 5000 the vibration was still there reved it to 6000 and the engine stutterd and died,

and now the bastard wont start again.

the EFI fuse is still all ok. and i did the fuel pump ECU bypass and i could hear a swashing sound coming from the engine, but it still wouldn't start

any idea's where i should go from here?
Charlie Ters
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Monday, August 04, 2008 - 07:29 pm, by:  Charlie Ters (Ul05st) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

sounds like an ignition problem by the sounds of things? maybe the ignitor? or similar? (anyone else with ideas?)
Andrew Stewart
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Queensland
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Monday, August 04, 2008 - 08:21 pm, by:  Andrew Stewart (Daboom) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

to me, it sounds like your harmonic ballancer is slightly out, maybe not on 100% straight, and is only causing the vibration in that particular revs. from memory, the harmonic ballancer is keyed, so it should go on only 1 way. give that a go. it is definately a mechanical related issue, misfires don't cause a vibration of sorts, more like a caughing and spluttering if it is air / fuel related
Jeff Bedsor
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Monday, August 04, 2008 - 08:29 pm, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was going to say harmonic balancer as well, maybe damaged when pulled off to do the timing belt?
Daniel Clarke
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Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 06:49 am, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Its not uncommon for the harmonic Balancer to be damaged, quite common on 2J's ive read on the supra forums...

I would remove it and check it out, or even just replace it.
Andrew Stewart
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Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 07:42 am, by:  Andrew Stewart (Daboom) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

if you did your timing belt, how did you take off the harmonic ballancer. did you give it a hit with a hammer?
Shane Haverkamp
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Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 11:03 am, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i used to crank pulley to get the balancer off, but i had to give it a few taps to get it back on. but its not like i flogged the crap out of it.

anyone want to suggest where i should start to actually try and get the engine running again. as i can't even start it now. it just keeps turning over and over.

i actually have ANOTHER problem now as well. the clip that goes to the FIRST coil pack has snapped and now all i have is just the 2 wire connectors, one is green the other is orange and black. i can still put them on the coil pack but i dont know which way they go?

could these 2 wires have touched and shorted something out (fuse somewhere) causing no spark, meaning my engine wont fire?
Andrew Stewart
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Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 11:36 am, by:  Andrew Stewart (Daboom) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

it may have gone on crooked when you put it back on, but as for not starting, it is a minor possibility, so the best thing to do is start by resetting the ECU (just unplug the battery (negative only) and turn your headlights on or hold your foot on the brake to totally discharge all power from the system. then re plug the battery on and try to start your car. otherwise what may have happened is it has shored out your igniter. as for any other ideas. i don't have any. probably ring your closest import specialist and query them
Shane Haverkamp
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Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 12:51 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

well i'm definitely not getting any spark during cranking..

i pulled the 2 and 3 coil packs out, rested the spark plug on the exhaust manifold (metal). cranked the engine and got no spark

:-( is there anyway to test the igniter?
Gary Poloskei
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Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 02:27 pm, by:  Gary Poloskei (Mikrucio) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hmmmmm usually the ignitor is fine unless you disconnected the battery and connected it up again many times. this has been known to kill the ignitor.

When I did the 100k on my JZZ30. it didnt start either. same problem you had.

What happened was when I bolted the alternator back in I squeezed the crank angle sensor cable between the bracket and the alternator It was night time and with my spotlights I couldnt quite see down in there properly.. anyway..

Unbolt your alternator and check to see if the crank angle sensor cable has not been crushed by the alternator. because the resistance changes the ECU will not let the ignitor work.

Once I freed the cable started right away.

Good luck.

I
Shane Haverkamp
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Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 04:25 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i tried what you said gary and still no luck, or spark, which still leads me to believe it might be the igniter.

anyone on the central coast got a spare one i can try out to see if this is my problem?

after working out the diagnostics. i get an error saying "EFI 12" which is: no NE or G1 and G2 signal to ECM for 2 sec or more after cranking
Brian Timms
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Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 06:14 pm, by:  Brian Timms (Turbo_brian) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If it's a harmonic balancer, I have a brand new unit you can have (for a way below buy-price fee) and new bolt as well if you want...

I also have coil packs (but not the loom), and ignition coil somewhere in my storage locker, might have other stuff, would need to check.

B.
Shane Haverkamp
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Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 01:18 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

something i just rememberd thouhg, when i was removing this cog to replace the main seal. i forgot to remove the little sensor thing on the right (blue) and i bent the star shapped wheel thing (green) as i was pulling the cog out.



i kind of bent it back into shape to get it back on. as i thought it was just a washer style thing

i only noticed then that it goes up against the crank angle sensor. could this be causing me my troubles?
Christian Molenda
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Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 01:42 pm, by:  Christian Molenda (Christof) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the belt would also rest against that back edge. time to find a new one it think
Daniel Clarke
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Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 03:19 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yep, Youve not aligned the crank angle sensor properly, by bening it and damaging it, its probably not reading it correctly...

I would try removing everything and making sure its all lined up properly.
Shane Haverkamp
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Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 03:34 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yeah i put everything back, the way it SHOULD be. and i got spark and the car actually started.

kind of embarrassing when i think about it. but i guess this is how i learn.

just waiting for the battery to charge again, and my oil level to settle, my full sump has gone down to just over L from having having up on the stands me thinks.
Shane Haverkamp
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Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 02:59 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ok now that everything is back together properly i have no more issues :S vibration and everything has gone away.

thanks for all the help though
Daniel Clarke
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Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 10:29 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That will be $350 for helping out... Man we should start charging round here :-) !

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