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Kenny Williams
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Wednesday, December 03, 2008 - 05:45 am, by:  Kenny Williams (Kennykenv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi all, well my situation is that my clutch is way past overdue a change and i'm really quite strapped for cash at the moment what with christmas and all and so cant afford the exedy hd i was hoping for yet...

ive decided to go standard again till funds permit and so my question is;
Do i absolutely need to buy a new pressure plate to go with the new disk, flywheel skim, release bearing and fly bolts that are already on the list?

cheers.

also, is there a good guide anywhere for the procedure?
Ben Socratous
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Wednesday, December 03, 2008 - 07:09 am, by:  Ben Socratous (Socrates) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Unless you have access to a pit or a hoist, doing the soarer clutch yourself is a $hit job mate! The 2 top bellhousing bolts are nearly impossible to get at normally, you kinda need to drop the gearbox cross member and let the engine sag back on the engine mounts to get at them. But don't let it go to far or else you'll stuff your engine mounts too!

If you're doing all that, you might as well do the pressure plate too, there really is no point in doing everything else except that. I know where you are coming from in the price department, I'll be using the 2nd hand clutch that came with my conversion kit for now! The global economy f*cking up has seriously screwed up toyota parts. An oem clutch disc used to be under $100, now they are nearly $300!!! Organic exedy stock replacement kit will still set you back around $650, buttom around $200 more than that.

Its hard, but don't listen to what people tell you they paid 3-4 months ago... those prices don't mean $hit anymore :-(
Kenny Williams
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Wednesday, December 03, 2008 - 08:30 am, by:  Kenny Williams (Kennykenv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for the advice Ben, Hopefully i wil be able to get it on a set of ramps for doing it, Would really like a guide to read through to learn from before starting, anyway one of the parts, the disk i think takes a week to come from japan...

cheeers
Michael Keen
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Wednesday, December 03, 2008 - 07:10 pm, by:  Michael Keen (Spoilt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hi kenny, i have a clutch kit for sale, 250 it yours, has near bran new clutch disk,, actually i dont think it has been used, i also have a flywheel, and pressure plate, all you need to do is skim the flywheel, and then just change it over that way you dont have to wait, for it to get machine you can have the lot for 250 cheers
Barry Main
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Wednesday, December 03, 2008 - 08:15 pm, by:  Barry Main (Barry_m) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Michael, if Kenny doesn't want your bits, or if shipping costs prove to be prohibitive, I might be interested.

Could you please tell me:

1 Are the friction plate and pressure plate both new?

2 Were the purchased separately or as a kit?

3 Are they both Toyota?

3 Suit R154?

4 Could you pack everything safely for courier delivery to Melbourne? (At my expense, of course).

Cheers and thanks

By the way all, I have a hoist in my workshop so I will try to take some pics and post a tutorial.
Kenny Williams
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Thursday, December 04, 2008 - 01:35 am, by:  Kenny Williams (Kennykenv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hi michael, im very interested, pm sent, thanks... could save me lots of faffing about trying to find a rubbish aftermarket one cheaper than toyotas silly prices, and as u said i can then go and get the flywheel skimmed without taking the old one out, which would be great!

good questions by the way barry, sorry but im badly in need of a clutch as its got to the un-drivable stage and with 2 kids thats not good

im very lucky in the fact that for just under $50 a day i can use my friends workshop with 4 post ramps and tranny jacks and all his beasty tools ect, hes also a qualified mot tester for toyota which hopefully could prove handy for if i run into trouble! (which i proberbly will)

and yep ive already asked him about the parts and its only about a $35 reduction in price to what i was quoted from toyota, which is still better than nothing...

a tutorial would still be really usefull

thanks guys
Michael Keen
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Thursday, December 04, 2008 - 05:50 am, by:  Michael Keen (Spoilt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i'm not sure if they toyota parts? how can i tell, the friction plate looks new, the pressure plate looks used, but it still looks good. flywheel is used as well. they suit r154, they came with the conversion kit i got. cheers\

can get photos if you like..
Kenny Williams
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Friday, December 05, 2008 - 01:30 pm, by:  Kenny Williams (Kennykenv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hmmm , not sure about how u would tell if they are toyota parts? check the numbers on them?? im guessing that you uprated when the conversion was done?

sorry but by the sounds of that, if i bought it and it was toyota, i would be getting pretty much what i already have plus a near new clutch disk as the miles on the parts ar'nt known.

dont get me wrong its a very good price for all of that and would be really handy to have a spare fly to skim before getting it all apart, but the price of postage to the uk will be huge i imagine, with the weight of it all, then adding import tax im thinking it just wouldnt prove worth it...

...its $400 for the disk, plate and release bearing from our toyota which is my other option, not cheap at all! but worth it i guess for peace of mind, well for a few miles anyway

has nobody written a guide for a clutch change on here??? any more usefull tips would be much appriciated.

cheers all.
Scott Wilkes
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Friday, December 05, 2008 - 03:33 pm, by:  Scott Wilkes (Scottywilkes) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

just after christmas il have a few pictures taken as i will be installing a Exedy heavy duty clutch at work on the hoist. So il get some pictures and a rundown on what to remove etc.
Kenny Williams
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Saturday, December 06, 2008 - 01:27 am, by:  Kenny Williams (Kennykenv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

that would be really good Scott theres alot to read on here but defenately room for more guides on how to take stuff apart, unless im just missing it when i search, they should all be stickyd to the how to section, then it would be easy to find

unfortunately my clutch is going to be here by next weekend
will be doing it hopefully within a week after that... gotta have it sorted for christmas, my bro's coming down and ive gotta take him out for a scare in the soarer!


anyway will defenately take some pics and post them up with a walkthrough of what i did, problems i ran into ect.

cheers.
Scott Wilkes
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Saturday, December 06, 2008 - 08:17 am, by:  Scott Wilkes (Scottywilkes) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

just remember its a pull type setup, so you will need to release the pivot fork from the bearing before you remove the trans. I got stuck with this first time i did one, thinking it was a standard clutch. haha
Kenny Williams
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Saturday, December 06, 2008 - 11:32 am, by:  Kenny Williams (Kennykenv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thanks mate thats exactly the sort of thing i need to know, how do i do that? is it attached to the slave or is it just in a rubber boot and just slides off?
Danny Dinh
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Saturday, December 06, 2008 - 11:12 pm, by:  Danny Dinh (Xtc) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

as soon as you have removed the slave just pull the fork out. It should slide off easily.
when fitting the clutch kit use the alignment tool as this will help you getting the input shaft in easier. Also, a gear should be engaged to help input shaft align and slip in the clutch plate easily after a few twists of the gearbox. Another way of doing this is to put the pressure plate and clutch plate onto the input shaft and use the two vents on the sides of the gear box to put the bolts holding the clutch kit to the flywheel.
Kenny Williams
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Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 12:44 pm, by:  Kenny Williams (Kennykenv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi, Sorry for late reply, been a bit busy! thanks alot Danny, might end up manufacturing an alignment tool myself at this rate as toyota over here dont sell them! or use the shaft like u said,

the good news is that the kit has arrived and should be getting done early next week! wooooooo!

apparently the top 2 bell housing bolts can be got at from the engine bay with the right long reach spanner and another for leverage, is that true? or is that on an auto


cheeeers
Scott Wilkes
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Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 12:56 pm, by:  Scott Wilkes (Scottywilkes) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

you dont need an alignment tool. It makes it slightly easier but if you have good eyes you can centralize the clutch plate with the pressure plate nearly perfectly.

Go by eye in the centre and of the sides of the clutch where you can see the plate, making sure that 3 points around the clutch are nearly the same. Done without a clutch alignment tool for 2 years, mind you i have a hoist to do it all on. HAHA
Kenny Williams
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Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 02:35 pm, by:  Kenny Williams (Kennykenv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hiya all, fitted the new clutch at last!!! it works again !!!!


Got loads of pics while i was there!

was quite straight forward really, took about 5 hours, when i need to do it again i feel it can be done in well under 4 now i know my way round, i did alot of faffing about, checking over other stuff, adjusted my swaybar while it was up there too as it needed it. had another pair of hands with me which made stuff easier. used the vents on bell housing technique to get the clutch off, made it very simple.

clutch disk was foobar! had worn right down onto the rivets, pressure plate didnt look too bad but the springs get brittle yardayardayar so it was worthwhile doing it. flywheel was in pretty good condition with only a couple of very tiny scratches.

turns out im due a new rocker gasket aswell... should be here tomorrow!
Michael Keen
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Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 05:57 pm, by:  Michael Keen (Spoilt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i do hope you machined flywheel and fitted new pressure plate..
Scott Wilkes
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Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 06:18 pm, by:  Scott Wilkes (Scottywilkes) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yes, those tiny scratches do alot of damage to the plate when its its slipping at 2k LOL. A flywheel may not look warped etc, but it usually is.

On a side note, i picked up my exedy heavy duty tonight :-), there a bloody heavy bugger. The pressure plate is a solid cast unit HAHA.

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