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Mal Nicholson
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Monday, February 16, 2009 - 07:00 pm, by:  Mal Nicholson (Soarermal) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ok I'll try getting to the thermostat housing from the bottom.

Put the shroud back and tested the car with A/C on while in idle, got the temp up to 94C and then gave it a few good long revs and it stayed around 94 - 96C so looking better but will have to get a proper test when it's a bit warmer.
Mal Nicholson
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Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 11:29 am, by:  Mal Nicholson (Soarermal) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I put the shroud back on in this pick...looks better too.


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Dave Cazes
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Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 12:19 pm, by:  Dave Cazes (Cazman) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The first pic is of te air con condensor, that wont effect ANYTHING

The reason its not starting is vapour lock in the fuel system. I also found that with my fuel pump ecu issues (very common) that it was worse on hot days.

Heat shielding the fuel lines will help, and a new walbro WILL fix that issue.

I know exactly what your talking about with shutting it down, and it getting hotter.
Even sitting still the temp rises, only people with an aftermarket gauge should comment on this, as the stock gauge is woeful at best

I found I would run at say 90 deg cruising, stop get out come back and im on 110, and as said, after 5 mins of driving its back to 90deg.

This is why turbo timers are BAD. How many times have you actually heard of a turbo dieing from not turbo timing? Never, thats right. BUT...
You are better off taking the last 2 mins really easy on the motor and then parking.
You wont agree UNTILL YOU BUY SOME GAUGES, get an oil and water temp gauge and you'll see what Im talking about

Another bandaid fix for your problem is buy and oilcooler kit, worth it IMO, but its $300 you might not have to spend.

IF it was my car, iw ould lock the factory thermo fan up with about 50 zip ties, and see what happens. my bet is its better.
Just keep applying them till the fan is 100% locked and not spinning on its own,

The other test for the fan is get the car really hot, like you are, pop the bonnet and see if the fan spins, if its free as a kite than thats your problem, but if its really stiff then your fan is actually working how it should
Shane Haverkamp
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Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 03:52 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Dave Cazes wrote on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 12:19 pm:


The reason its not starting is vapour lock in the fuel system

LOL reminds me of this




Dave Cazes wrote on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 12:19 pm:


iF it was my car, iw ould lock the factory thermo fan up with about 50 zip ties, and see what happens. my bet is its better.
Just keep applying them till the fan is 100% locked and not spinning on its own,



wouldn't it just be easier/safer to take the thermofan off
Andrew Ferres
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Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 04:13 pm, by:  Andrew Ferres (Peewee) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The viscous fan hub is loose when cool, and locks when warm/hot.

They rarely stop fuctioning, but as they get older they become less efficient, and eventually can fail to lock up, and as such will do nothing.
Daniel Clarke
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Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 05:00 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Andrew I was led to believe the Toyota Fan is the EXACT Opposite champ !

WHen the SOarer hub fails it Locks, thats why some of them lockup and never release ??? They stay locked on and make a loud whoooshing noise when failing .
Andrew Ferres
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Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 05:18 pm, by:  Andrew Ferres (Peewee) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've seen them fail in both manners.

They are designed to fail locked, but it doesn't always happen.
Daniel Clarke
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Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 06:07 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ahh, thanks mate.
Mal Nicholson
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Thursday, February 19, 2009 - 07:19 pm, by:  Mal Nicholson (Soarermal) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok guys thanks for the tips. I have a aftermarket thermo and it's bloody noisy and I have changed my fan clutch so that's fin too. After putting the shroud back on it seems to be fine. I took it for a drive the other day chucked the A/C on and booted it for a bit after it got to temp and the guage stayed around 95C - 97C which is good IMO. Though it was only about 30C that day. I will try and shield the fuel line to stop it vapourising.

Are the Walbros a simple swap over?
Mal Nicholson
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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 12:44 am, by:  Mal Nicholson (Soarermal) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

just bought 2 x Genuine Walbro GSS 294 one around 7000km and then the other around 3000km.

650HP 280Litres per HR

Bit of over kill.
Nesh Singh
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Friday, June 19, 2009 - 02:39 pm, by:  Nesh Singh (Nesh) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

my turbos seized up because i didnt turbo time :-(
Andrew Ferres
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Friday, June 19, 2009 - 02:46 pm, by:  Andrew Ferres (Peewee) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Unlikely.

Turbo timers are not needed 99.99% of the time.

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