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Nathan Hlad
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soarer jzz30 tt

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Monday, February 23, 2009 - 03:43 am, by:  Nathan Hlad (Jackpot) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

please help my soarer wouldn't start today.
it has half a tank of petrol and a brand new battery, also i can run my system off the battery for 15, 20 mins.
has this happened to anyone before ??
please help !

Nathan Hlad
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Monday, February 23, 2009 - 03:46 am, by:  Nathan Hlad (Jackpot) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

it doesn't turn over (no clicking or ticking when you turn the ignition key)
im guessing its not the battery

EXPENSIVE MAYBE :-(
Nathan Hlad
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Monday, February 23, 2009 - 04:33 am, by:  Nathan Hlad (Jackpot) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

just did some searching think it might be the starter motor.
all electrics are good (dash, lights, system) but there is no noise when you turn it to start.
any way to tell if it is definately the starter motor ??
i started about 15 mins before i went to start it again but then NOTHING.
completely stumped
Matthew Sharpe
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North Island
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Monday, February 23, 2009 - 06:08 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sounds like the starter motor, solenoid or possibly an earthing problem. In a TT, since its pretty easy to get at the starter, I'd say take it out and get it tested/serviced.
Mark Tierney
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NSW
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Monday, February 23, 2009 - 08:38 am, by:  Mark Tierney (Mark_t) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's exactly what happens when the battery is dead. Test the battery first with a mutlimeter. Maybe even try a jump start. Some batteries need a good charge initially & perhaps you didn't get the chance to do this?
James Harris
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Monday, February 23, 2009 - 11:22 am, by:  James Harris (Haro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeh could be the solinoid.

If you get under the car just have a look up at it and check that they earth (or is it power?) strap is attached still with the nut holding it on. That could be your drama.

Otherwise, give the starter motor a bit of a bash with something and then try again. Seemed to work with one of my older cars.
Shane Haverkamp
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Monday, February 23, 2009 - 03:38 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i'd do what james said.

get a mate to try and turn the car over while you give the starter motor a tap with a hammer or something (be careful under there when you do it so nothing takes your head or arm off)

you could also remove the starter motor. and open it up. there's normally 2 copper contacts down the bottom that some times get worn and stop making a good connection and your car wont start.

really easy to replace and cost's about $10 from an auto electriction.

that's what i'd be checking anyways
Nathan Hlad
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Monday, February 23, 2009 - 04:23 pm, by:  Nathan Hlad (Jackpot) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

pretty sure the battery isn't dead as i can run my stereo, my lights and the dash. also the battery is 2 days old.
any pics of what the starter motor looks like ?
Nathan Hlad
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Monday, February 23, 2009 - 04:56 pm, by:  Nathan Hlad (Jackpot) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

where abouts is the starter motor located ??
i have a low body kit so its like impossible to slide under my car anymore.
any other suggestions ?
James Harris
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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 12:09 am, by:  James Harris (Haro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

you dont own a jack or two... or better yet - Jack stands?

They are well worth it. Even those ones that you drive up onto go pretty well.
Nathan Hlad
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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 12:09 am, by:  Nathan Hlad (Jackpot) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hey just found out it was the starter motor.
my mate jacked it up and slammed it from underneath with a hammer and it starts...
for now.
would it be better to get the starter motor reconditioned or to just buy a new one ??
Shane Haverkamp
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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 01:50 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

pull the bastard off an have a look inside like i suggested nathan.

theres a decent chance that what i said is all that is wrong with it and it beats paying a mechanic $200 or more to do the same thing and call it a "reconditioning"
Ilia Raykhtin
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Victoria
JZZ30 TT

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 02:04 pm, by:  Ilia Raykhtin (Greasemonkey) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Do you have an alarm/immobilizer?
a blown fuse or faulty relay would have the same symptoms.
And I'm sure your in park... right?
Matthew Sharpe
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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 07:55 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Reconditioning is going to be cheaper, but you can't beat new if you have the $$$. I've never had an issue with a reconditioned starter motor and I've had a few done over the years.
Rob Rojo
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NSW
Soarer TT

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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 10:11 am, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are you sure it just was not engaged in park properly?
possibly when it was jacked up or being hit it may have re-engaged park.
Nathan Hlad
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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 12:13 pm, by:  Nathan Hlad (Jackpot) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

im not a COMPLETE farkwit
Rob Rojo
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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 01:20 pm, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was not implying anything of the sort, next time don't put up "Please Help" if you don't want it!

I was not saying that you had not put the shifter in park I was referring to the park not engaging.I am pretty sure there is a switch either in the shifter or connected to the Transmission that stops the starter from Engaging if not in park. If the switch is not working properly then it will act exactly the same as you described. It was very common with Old Sigmas and Camiras where you had to move the shifter up and down to get the starter to engage.
If it was a problem with the starter you would usually here a click but the fact your not getting anything at all may also be the solenoid
Cameron Laufer
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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 01:40 pm, by:  Cameron Laufer (Ivboost) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The Neutral Start Switch Rob is referring to is located on the drivers side of the Tranny, this switch will allow the car to start in "Park" as well as "Neutral". If it is not setup correctly the car won't crank or if the adjustment has come loose it won't start.
James Harris
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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 02:36 pm, by:  James Harris (Haro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

woooo HAMMER HIT for the WIN !



But yeh, pull it off and get it reco-d. New bushes and a clean up and she will be right as rain.

OH and Nathan - please refrain from posting your thread TITLES IN CAPITALS ITS REALLY ANNOYING AND WE DONT NEED YOU SHOUTING AT US!

you are our friend from the Bahamas are serial offenders.

Thank you !
Nathan Hlad
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NT
soarer jzz30 tt

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 03:22 am, by:  Nathan Hlad (Jackpot) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

sorry for yelling james but when i couldn't start my soarer i felt destroyed.
replaced the starter motor but it set me back $550

all good cheers guys.
Shane Haverkamp
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soarer TT

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 11:28 am, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

nathan did you check inside your old one when you removed it (or did you pay to have it installed)

there's three screws on top you take off. inside there's a plunger kinda thing its a bit off copper on a spring. you pull that out and you'll see to copper clips.

those are probably all that needed replacing. and they only cost about $5 or so and to get them out you need to take off 2 bolts. and you just give the copper plunger bit a bit of a fine sanding to clean it up

alot cheaper to do that then to pay $550
Nathan Hlad
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Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 11:21 pm, by:  Nathan Hlad (Jackpot) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

got a whole new starter motor installed.
its all good with starting now but there are more problems though ...
Patrick Robinson
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New Providence
Soarer TT

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Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 04:30 am, by:  Patrick Robinson (Islandsoarer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey James, first time being on for a while and I just saw your comment about "OUR FRIEND FROM THE BAHAMAS." I'm sorry if I offended you guys. It's been so long now since I have been a member of SC and noone ever said anything to me about it. But it does get you guys attention right?



I'll stop though.

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