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Nathan Hlad
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NT
soarer jzz30 tt

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 Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 11:28 pm, by:  Nathan Hlad (Jackpot) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
hey last night i got left by a mazda 3 !

devastated !
what simple mods can i do to get more power ??

i have an apexi pod (bfi)
trust fmic
full exhaust
hks bov
huge brembo brakes

any info welcome
Chris Round
Tinkerer
WA
Soarer TT JZZ30

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 Friday, February 27, 2009 - 12:15 am, by:  Chris Round (Hermie) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
I hope you are referring to a Mazda3 MPS, because I own a Mazda3 SP23 and it is no where near the performance of my soarer with less mods than yours!

But I would have thought even with that list you have, it would beat a turbo hot hatch!

I run even with Clubsport R8's so I'm pretty happy with that - but hey, no matter how many mods you do, there is always going to be someone faster who spent more!!! haha depressing I know ....
Nathan Hlad
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soarer jzz30 tt

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 Friday, February 27, 2009 - 12:23 am, by:  Nathan Hlad (Jackpot) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
not very familiar with mazdas but it was fast and completely left me.
it wasnt stock... it had exhaust, loud external wastegate and must have been manual.

any mods that i can do without having to do more mods for them ??
Mal Nicholson
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W.A
TT

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 Friday, February 27, 2009 - 01:00 am, by:  Mal Nicholson (Soarermal) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
What turbo's are you running? still stock? I am not entirely convinced bigger twins will help give you more power than a single conversion. read through this and you might get a better understanding of why I say this.

Got to section "Multiple Turbos"

http://www.turbokart.com/turbochargedengines.htm#IX

Or if you can't be bothered reading through that here's the nut shell version.

"Some high performance vehicles have utilized a system called sequential turbocharging, namely the Porsche 959 and the Toyota Supra Turbo. A sequential system typically uses one small turbo and one large turbo. At low engine speed, all flow passes through the small turbo, to spool up quickly and produce boost at low rpm. As the exhaust flow increases, the second, large turbo, is phased in to produce high boost at high levels of exhaust flow. In theory this concept works well, however, the amount of plumbing involved, along with all of the electronically controlled valves to route the exhaust and compressor flow makes this system very complex, and in practice, boost response is no better than a well engineered wastegate system(Single conversion)."

Hope you find the extra grunt under the hood. :-)
Nathan Hlad
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soarer jzz30 tt

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 Friday, February 27, 2009 - 01:44 am, by:  Nathan Hlad (Jackpot) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
never said bigger twins would be better than a single, just wanted to know what i could do to get some more power
Chris Prak
DieHard
WA
JZZ30 Soarer - Twin Snails

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 Friday, February 27, 2009 - 03:42 am, by:  Chris Prak (Carizma) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
ECU (Piggy back or Full replacement) and Boost Controller will be next on your list mate.

This SHOULD net you well over 300hp. Make sure you have a free flowing dump pipe to reduce back pressure, otherwise when boosting your stock turbos, they will die real fast.
Andrew Magee
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ACT
Soarer big single

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 Friday, February 27, 2009 - 08:53 am, by:  Andrew Magee (1jz25tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
better driver?
Andrew Magee
TryHard
ACT
Soarer big single

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 Friday, February 27, 2009 - 08:54 am, by:  Andrew Magee (1jz25tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Hey Nathan,

Did you use the Evo 7/8 Brembos with an adapter plate?

I am looking at doing the same thing soon.
Dave Cazes
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sa
tt

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 Friday, February 27, 2009 - 09:08 am, by:  Dave Cazes (Cazman) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Just because you have an exhaust, doesnt mean its good.

A 3" system with no cat and 1 muffler will make 30 KWs more than a system with a cat, hotdog and muffler.

My "full exhaust" lost 60 rwkw on the dyno with my silencer in the muffler, I cant strees enough that the exhaust is key to the soarer, and if your worried, get a varex, you can have you cake and eat it in this day and age
Rob Andreacchio
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Victoria
I've sprouted horns!

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 Friday, February 27, 2009 - 11:40 am, by:  Rob Andreacchio (Reepa) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Dave Cazes wrote on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 09:08 am:

A 3" system with no cat and 1 muffler will make 30 KWs more than a system with a cat, hotdog and muffler



and will make your balls so big they will drag along the ground....

and before you ask, I have about as much proof as you do!

Don't make ridiculous claims you cant backup....using quality parts is the key, and you'll have no less power with the addition of a quality cat, muffler, or hotdog... I know because i've done it.
Rob Rojo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer TT

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 Friday, February 27, 2009 - 11:53 am, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
My car was dynoed with Lew's Dumps to 2.75" inch to hi-flow cat then into twin 3" mufflers. The most I could get out of it was 219rwkw tuned.
I kept the dumps but changed it to 3" mid pipe to 3" hi flow cat then into the same 3"mufflers power jumped to 254rwkw.
It shows how important a good system is.
I have since had a decat pipe made and improved my 1/4mile times by from 12.3-12.2 not a lot but still worth it.
Jeff Smith
Goo Roo
NSW
GT30/37r Single T Manual

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 Friday, February 27, 2009 - 01:17 pm, by:  Jeff Smith (Mozzie) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Don't forget guy's! It's not a good ide to encourage street racing... I'm as guilty as anyone but would be best if it was taken to the track... Don't forget there is the public you have to think about and pole's and tree's you can hit.... I don't mind if you want to beat the mazda but the track is where it's at... Take it to the nearest 1/4mile and run manny cars in a safe and controlled environment...
Andrew Magee
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ACT
Soarer big single

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 Friday, February 27, 2009 - 01:28 pm, by:  Andrew Magee (1jz25tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
What Jeff said :-)
Richard O'Neill
Tinkerer
QLD
TT

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 Friday, February 27, 2009 - 02:42 pm, by:  Richard O'Neill (Rich85) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
have you tried more boost yet
Nathan Hlad
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soarer jzz30 tt

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 Friday, February 27, 2009 - 04:18 pm, by:  Nathan Hlad (Jackpot) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
i have stock twins with ceramic wheels so any boosting will crack my turbos, so no boost controller for now.
in darwin there are a lot of secluded roads with NO cars at all this is where i got killed by a mazda 3 !

regarding the brake upgrades,
my cousin works for a company called WESTCON which distributes brembo brakes.
i got a set of 4 to fit my soarer for only $9999
installed !
Matthew Standage
TryHard
w.a.
jzz30 tt

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 Friday, February 27, 2009 - 04:51 pm, by:  Matthew Standage (Matstandage) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
boosting won't break your turbos i've had mine boosted to 16.5psi for two years and no trouble but i always change the oil every 5000kms i think this problem is overrated and this stops a lot of people really enjoying their soarer with the stock turbos because they are scared of turbo failure
Kim Hunt
TryHard
nsw
Supercharged SC400\Soarer GT-L UZZ31

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 Friday, February 27, 2009 - 05:07 pm, by:  Kim Hunt (Lxtasi) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder

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 Friday, February 27, 2009 - 05:39 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
CRacked,lol... Ive known MORE turbos to die at 10psi than i have heard fail at 16+psi !

Ive been running 18+psi for almost 2 1/2 years now. Car runs flat 12's high 11's and makes 260rwkw @ 17.5psi on pump fuel . All on stock turbos.

The Key is Good Oil and CHanges at regular intervals. I change mine round 4000kms. If i race alot, I will dump it at 3000kms .

Cheap insrance, and ive clocked over 60,000kms on my ride since i got it. Its now up to 176,000kms and going strong.
David Tra
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qld
TT

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 Friday, February 27, 2009 - 06:17 pm, by:  David Tra (Bookie) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Mazda 3 mps
http://autospeed.com/cms/A_107793/article.html

Dont be to hard on yourself.

I lost to a 07 swift. One of those races where your not involved! I wanted to catch up but my lane was ending. So I had to brake. Once i merged, I planted my foot down but my conscience kicked in... by the time i hit boost and caught up, ill be in jail and my car gets raped!
No point in losing my license over this. So i didnt bother. I bet the guy/girl is cheering lol
Ben Socratous
Goo Roo
SA
as i drive though the valley of the 1/4 mile, i shall fear no falcodore, for the angel of boost is with me

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 Friday, February 27, 2009 - 06:39 pm, by:  Ben Socratous (Socrates) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Rob, Dave has the dyno sheets to back up his claims, I've seen them. I personally know of 2 other JZ's that were running brand new apexi exhaust systems. Both later had the cats removed one made 7 and the other 11 rwkw more than it did with them in there. At the end of the day, no matter how good a cat it is, it still is a restriction of some sort and you WILL make more power without it in there. Obviously that power is more so at the top end, and it isn't exactly practicle on a street car, but will make more power none the less.
Richard O'Neill
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QLD
TT

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 Friday, February 27, 2009 - 06:49 pm, by:  Richard O'Neill (Rich85) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
seriously get a boost controller, turbosmart eboost is worth every dollar, with a touch of a button you can put the boost up to 14psi then back down to 10, stop worrying about the ceramic stock turbos to they are cheap to replace anyway
David Tra
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TT

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 Friday, February 27, 2009 - 07:28 pm, by:  David Tra (Bookie) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Wouldnt you be boosting 12psi from basic upgrades?
A cheapie T valve will do your job
Michael Keen
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Soarer TT

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 Friday, February 27, 2009 - 08:47 pm, by:  Michael Keen (Spoilt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
so will disconnecting the wastegate all together..
Daniel Clarke
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 Friday, February 27, 2009 - 08:47 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Yeah but a T valve doesnt eliminate wastegate creep. That is worth getting a nice EBC, i recommend the Greddy Profec B Spec 2 unit :-)
George Funa
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Soarer TT

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 Friday, February 27, 2009 - 11:19 pm, by:  George Funa (Fun001) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Chris Prak wrote on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 03:42 am:

ECU (Piggy back or Full replacement) and Boost Controller will be next on your list mate.

This SHOULD net you well over 300hp. Make sure you have a free flowing dump pipe to reduce back pressure, otherwise when boosting your stock turbos, they will die real fast.



What Chris has mentioned above plus a boost controller adjusted to 18psi and the only mazda you will see is in your rear vision mirror

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