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Michael Lucas
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VIC
94 1JZ331 TT

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Sunday, May 10, 2009 - 02:30 pm, by:  Michael Lucas (Mickoin) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

which one and why?
Steven Nanevski
Goo Roo
New South Wales
BF Ford Falcon XR8 MKII

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Sunday, May 10, 2009 - 02:38 pm, by:  Steven Nanevski (Imprestik) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well firstly tell us what your aims are?? what performance you want out of your car, what rwkw's you aim to achieve??

Really pointless question until you can elaborate.

On saying that, if you will to achieve anything under 250rwkws, I would say neither, keep your 380's
Mike Dobkin
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Essex
Soarer TT

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Sunday, May 10, 2009 - 05:29 pm, by:  Mike Dobkin (Razman) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

440cc is good for moderate performance (400bhp or so) and are a straight swap for the stock ones but I think the 550cc needs modding doesn't it?
Scott Wilkes
DieHard
Tasmania
92 TT Factory Manual

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Sunday, May 10, 2009 - 08:01 pm, by:  Scott Wilkes (Scottywilkes) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

if they are the USDM 2JZ injectors they will need a resistor pack to make them work as they are low impedence whereas the 1JZ runs high impedence injectors
Steven Nanevski
Goo Roo
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Sunday, May 10, 2009 - 11:24 pm, by:  Steven Nanevski (Imprestik) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There are Sard 550cc Hi Imp injectors (white tops) I used to have them on my soarer....
Mike Ryan
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alberta
TT

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Tuesday, May 12, 2009 - 11:05 am, by:  Mike Ryan (Omniman69) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a set of 550cc sitting in a plastic bag out of a USDM MKiv supra on my table. Need to figure out the part# for the resistor pack so Toyota here can figure out wtf it is that i need.

mike
Damian Ware
DieHard
Victoria
UZZ32

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Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 11:22 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Use the smallest injectors you need to support your power gains.

This will provide the best resolution and make things easier for light load and in particular idle.
Mike Dobkin
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Essex
Soarer TT

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Friday, May 15, 2009 - 05:55 am, by:  Mike Dobkin (Razman) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have heard that the 440s give better off boost response than the stock ones after remapping.
Costa Tsimiklis
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Victoria
TT 300rwkw

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Thursday, May 21, 2009 - 04:47 pm, by:  Costa Tsimiklis (Driftshop) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

550cc low imp injectors, USDM supra - 290rwkw at 80% duty cycle at peak torque.

At 95% duty, i could probably make 320rwkw.

Im upgrading to Sard 800cc injectors (just need to install them now) and re-mapping for 450+rwkw on the 1J.

Low imp injectors give the benefit of less lag time to open (even when used with a resistor block) for a more accurate injection. THe lag time is the mechanical lag associated with the solenoid opening. Low imp are generally 0.75ms and high imp are generally 1.65ms

440cc JDM supra injectors - good for around 250rwkw.
Cihan Aday
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etuner.com.au
JZZ30

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Friday, May 22, 2009 - 03:32 pm, by:  Cihan Aday (Cihan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

440s will do 28-290rwkw at 90% dc which is what Toyota drives them to with the factory ECU. I have done and seen this countless times with well done setups, making efficient power (ie. low BSFC). Assuming peak power AFR's are 12.5:1

A VVTI 2JZ with oem 440's and fuel pump will do 270rwkw at 17psi on stock turbo's, with a little fuel to spare.

*Multiple* people on these forums are running high 11's, low 12's and or 250rwkw+ with stock 380's and a pump upgrade.

I've personally pushed standard 380's to just under 300rwkw with T3G's. AFR's were leaning out towards 13.5:1 but it illustrates a point.

I know Motec has their own HP vs CC formula, but its a blanket calculation based on an unlikely BSFC of 0.5 and 20% leeway AFAIK.

Stock 380's need practically no lag compensation (0.1-0.2ms) at 14.4v with the alternator running and they are high impedance. They're high impedance so Toyota could run them in batch fire reliably without overloading the injector drivers, like most other OEM batch injection implementations.

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