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Nathan Hlad
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Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 08:35 am, by:  Nathan Hlad (Jackpot) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

will 2j cam gears and timing belt go on my 1j ??
they are both hks, nengun said they only have the cam gears for a 2j but they are the same thing.... is this true ?
Scott Wilkes
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Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 06:16 pm, by:  Scott Wilkes (Scottywilkes) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

same cam gears, but timing belt is different im pretty sure. Use the search feature mate, theres hundreds of threads that will answer your question immediantly
Ben Socratous
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Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 09:09 pm, by:  Ben Socratous (Socrates) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gears are definately the same, belts are definately different :-)
Scott Wilkes
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Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 10:32 pm, by:  Scott Wilkes (Scottywilkes) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

sounds pretty definative :-)
Nathan Hlad
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Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 12:48 am, by:  Nathan Hlad (Jackpot) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

nengun sell gears that fit a 1jz and a 2jz. (same product) but only sell the timing belt for the 2jz.
anyone know if the 2jz timing belt will fit on my 1jz ??
all items are hks by the way....
Scott Wilkes
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Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 08:30 am, by:  Scott Wilkes (Scottywilkes) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

mate me and ben just answered your question. Your 1JZ isnt special to everyone elses LOL

2JZ has a higher deck height due to larger stroke, hence 3 litre, so the belt will have extra ribs which will be to long for the 1J which has a shorter deck height
Ben Socratous
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Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 05:02 pm, by:  Ben Socratous (Socrates) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ben Socratous wrote on Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 09:09 pm:

belts are definately different



Nathan Hlad wrote on Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 12:48 am:

anyone know if the 2jz timing belt will fit on my 1jz ??


No, the 2J belt will NOT fit the 1J, it is longer to counter the taller block dimensions. Gates make a performance 1J belt, Dayco make 1J belts as well. Dayco make the OEM belts for toyota also, so aftermarket Dayco would be a cheaper and just as reliable option as an OEM part.
Aaron Casey
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Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 05:26 pm, by:  Aaron Casey (Blownminiturbo) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the gates one is around the 100 dollar mark for the upgraded one and its even blue
Costa Tsimiklis
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Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 09:20 pm, by:  Costa Tsimiklis (Driftshop) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Unless you are running aftermarket cams greater than 264 the 1JZ is still not an interference engine (no valves hitting the pistons). If the belt breaks - turn the engine over to its correct settings and then re-install a new belt.

Thus an OEM belt would be just as good as a 'performance' belt and cheaper.
Daniel Clarke
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Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 09:58 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jun actually make 264 cams that ARE interference ... As long as you run Less Lift than 9.1mm it is fine . ONce you run 9.3mm lift or over , thats when you run into trouble. Its not the Duration, its the lift that causes the interference.
Nathan Hlad
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Monday, June 22, 2009 - 02:29 am, by:  Nathan Hlad (Jackpot) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

so nengun sell 1jz and 2jz universal cam gears, but only the belt to fit the distance of a 2jz ?

also i have found a site that sells the belt for a 1jzgte but the car names ar only - chaser, mark II and cresta. nengun also sells the belt for these cars so i guess they are the same thing.
do the jzx cars and the vvt-i 1jz have the same distance for the timing belt ??

thanks for any help and im sorry if i repeated my question i thought since the cam gears were universal then maybe the belt would be.
maybe nengun had made a mistake....
Daniel Clarke
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Monday, June 22, 2009 - 09:05 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just get a Genuine Toyota 1JZ timing belt champ :-)
Robert Day
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Monday, June 22, 2009 - 09:19 pm, by:  Robert Day (Lexsmaz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree with Daniel just get a stock belt .. I have never seen or heard of a Toyota Cam belt breaking, ( within its service life ) ... I would not waste my time or money on anything else, especially if they were dearer too .. Just Wank factor ...

Different story for Mitsubishi though ...
Nathan Hlad
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Monday, June 22, 2009 - 11:09 pm, by:  Nathan Hlad (Jackpot) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

im getting a toyota belt as a spare and have my heart set on the hks one price doesnt bother me, just need to know if the chaser, mark II and the cresta have the same distance timing belt as the soarer ??
they should since they have the same exact engine, shouldn't they ?
what about the vvt-i 1jz ??
Daniel Clarke
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Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 08:46 am, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mate the HKS belt is complete Wank factor .
James Harris
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Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 12:01 pm, by:  James Harris (Haro) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

^^^ agreed...
Robert Day
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Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 12:21 pm, by:  Robert Day (Lexsmaz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm curious how much extra one has to pay for the HKS Wank Factor .... Nathan you do realise that it will not Last Longer or Perform Better, etc, etc, than a standard Toyota Belt .......
Christian Molenda
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Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 01:57 pm, by:  Christian Molenda (Christof) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mate, get a Gates 1jz belt. Probably just as cheap or cheaper than the toyota one.. (Although i went a genuine toyota one)

They come in blue so they have that wank factor you are after!
Bobby Green
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Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 02:44 pm, by:  Bobby Green (Nash) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I had a Gates 1j belt go soft and sloppy after just a few weeks of it being on. Swapped to a genuine belt and it was perfect. This is with hks 264 cam shafts. Go genuine.
Nathan Hlad
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Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 05:09 pm, by:  Nathan Hlad (Jackpot) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

so anyway.... do the jzx cars and the vvt-i 1jz have the same length timing belt as a non vvt-i 1jz ??
i know hks timing belt is wank factor thats why im getting it, got nothing else to spend my money on lol.
i understand it wont be as good as a genuine toyota belt maybe it will be worse but i am going to buy one either way.
and robert one has to pay almost $200 for the hks wank factor.
Peter Nitschke
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Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 05:26 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So just buy one and hang it in the pool room as a trophy if it doesn't fit.
Nathan Hlad
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Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 11:56 pm, by:  Nathan Hlad (Jackpot) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

so anyway.... do the jzx cars and the vvt-i 1jz have the same length timing belt as a non vvt-i 1jz ??
it should since they are the same engine and there are no alternate lengths for them....
Daniel Clarke
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Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 03:44 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Try asking someone that Sells HKS Timing Belts mate .

SO far you have had everyone advise against, including someone who had issues within weeks . And it aint a job you want to do twice , thats for sure !
Robert Day
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Thursday, June 25, 2009 - 02:45 am, by:  Robert Day (Lexsmaz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think its referred to as " bitting the hand that feeds you " ...
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Thursday, June 25, 2009 - 06:30 am, by:  Cameron Laufer (Ivboost) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nathan, the Toyota 1jz-gte vvti timing belt Part no.13568-49065 and for future reference 1jzgte have 3 different timing belts depending on age and model

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