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Martin Costa
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wa
TT

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Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 11:28 pm, by:  Martin Costa (Mxmarty) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

bought a non running jzz30 with 1jzgte

car stopped running
guy kept trying to start car and smoked the starter motor.

refitted a starter motor and i bought the car in condition.

does the dash light up when ignition is turned on ,has no kms read out or any upper dash lights , just trc and says in big letters CHARGE

but battery is fine , even tried a new one . same problem

any suggestions ???
Walter Gillmore
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TT JZZ30

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Thursday, August 20, 2009 - 01:10 am, by:  Walter Gillmore (Cl33pa) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

tried hitting the immobilizer button? mine does the same thing, turn the key only the bottom lcd parts light up, says charge as well but doesnt turn over and no revs or any upper lcd lights come on, until i hit the immobilizer button, hazards flash then all dash comes on,

not sure if they came out with imobilizers standard, so i'm just having a stab at your problem here :-)

mine was located under the steering column.
Martin Costa
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Thursday, August 20, 2009 - 08:53 am, by:  Martin Costa (Mxmarty) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

im starting to think it might be a immobilizer problem , ive sourced that and i can hear it switching circuits on and off , but i have a feeling its faulty so i might just remove the immobilizer if i cant source the problem
Walter Gillmore
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Thursday, August 20, 2009 - 01:48 pm, by:  Walter Gillmore (Cl33pa) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

check the inline fuses? mine was missing two of them when i bought the car. and also grounding, its a bit hard to tell whats what cause on mine all the wires are black for security. but yes sounds very likely that the immobilizer is preventing you from firing up the beast.
Rob Rojo
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NSW
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Thursday, August 20, 2009 - 03:58 pm, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just to help narrow it down a bit.

Does the starter motor turn over?
Does the engine actually start?
When you turn the key on can you hear the fuel pump start?

If the car is not running the charge light will be displayed as the alternator is not charging because the car is not running.
Martin Costa
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Thursday, August 20, 2009 - 04:38 pm, by:  Martin Costa (Mxmarty) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

well the guy i bought it from said it stopped running , and he cranked the starter motor until it ended in smoke. he put a second hand starter in. and thats when i bought it ,

no crank , no start , no run ..but yes i hear the fuel pump prime (thats why i think ive ruled out immob problem, cause the fuel pump doesnt prime until i de-mobilise ) im going to check fuses everywhere i can find .

walter as for all black wire for immob, just follow them back to where they join in the car wiring loom , you will find they dont go far , one cuts ignition wire and the other cuts the fuel pump wire .. ( most of the time ..)
Rob Rojo
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Thursday, August 20, 2009 - 04:57 pm, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would look at the 120A fuse located under in the fuse box under the bonnet. (they are bolted in so don't try to pull it out)
Walter Gillmore
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Thursday, August 20, 2009 - 06:18 pm, by:  Walter Gillmore (Cl33pa) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

cheers costa, yeah ive sorted my immobiliser out by doing just that. since my car is not under the house (located elsewhere) i cannot remember if the fuel pump still primes... with the imob on. i know it shouldn't cause its an immobiliser point. but stranger things have happened.. lol

one thing tho. if the guy said it stopped running and then killed the starter. then you should see if you can turn the engine over by hand. socket and breaker bar on the harmonic balancer nut. least you can rule out a seized engine then.
Martin Costa
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Thursday, August 20, 2009 - 10:12 pm, by:  Martin Costa (Mxmarty) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

got it to crank , still no dash lights (only a few down lower bar ) but no speedo , fuel level etc )

seems it has no compression . prob why its not running ! unless its something to do with no dash lights
Walter Gillmore
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Thursday, August 20, 2009 - 10:31 pm, by:  Walter Gillmore (Cl33pa) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

why do you say it seems to have no compression?
Martin Costa
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Thursday, August 20, 2009 - 10:39 pm, by:  Martin Costa (Mxmarty) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

just sounds like no compression .. turns over very easy with plugs in .. removed plugs and cant hear any wooshing sounds of compression ..

i will do a proper test tomorrow .. still im worried about that dash display .. if i get the car running i want the dash to work at least . motor doesnt bother me , i got spare 1jz's
Walter Gillmore
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Thursday, August 20, 2009 - 10:47 pm, by:  Walter Gillmore (Cl33pa) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

unsure but check the threads on here about the ccfl tube that lights the dash. if your certain theres no compression then it definitely wont start, so the dash problem could be a blown fluro tube, change it to a blue or red one while your at it... but if the charge/ clock lcd is still lit..... hmmm..

does the radiator have any water in it? does it have oil? and the sump oil check it for emulsification of water into it. could be blown head gasket causing no compression.

have you got any sort of history on the car from the owner?
Robert Day
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Friday, August 21, 2009 - 07:40 am, by:  Robert Day (Lexsmaz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Check the cam belt it sounds like it could be broken & or jumped some teeth, which will give you the No compression effect ..
Martin Costa
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Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 05:52 pm, by:  Martin Costa (Mxmarty) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ok done a compression test 115-120 across all cylinders , is that enough ? usually suppose to be up near 140-150 ?

either way ive checked everything else other than crank angle sensor.

replaced map sensor , ignitor , new plugs , coilpacks ,rigged up external fuel system with fresh fuel , replaced fuel reg, differnt ecu , checked timing , no oil/water mixtures in sump or radiator.

it almost starts and runs .. JUST .. but not quite. cant understand how loss of compression at 154,000kms

sorry cant get history on car , looking at car condtion , service stickers on engine and engine bay , its legit. timing belt done at 119 in japan , water pump doesn look that old either , serp belt changed 2008 at 151kms , so everything looks to be correct


ANY SUGGESTIONS ?
Matthew Sharpe
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JZZ31

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Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 06:41 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Definitely sounds low on compression, but if its consistent then its probably just a sign of a generally tired motor, and probably not much to worry about at least short term, once you get it running anyway.

K's might not be genuine, or it may have just had a very hard life with harsh driving and few oil and filter changes.

f course it'll be a bit down on power and will probably use a bit of oil, but at that compression it still should run OK.
Walter Gillmore
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Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 08:27 am, by:  Walter Gillmore (Cl33pa) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

another set of injectors perhaps??
Martin Costa
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Monday, August 24, 2009 - 05:49 pm, by:  Martin Costa (Mxmarty) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

just tried another set of injectors .

looks like its a dead motor . not enough compression to start .. 120psi wet comp test
was about 90 psi dry test
Walter Gillmore
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Monday, August 24, 2009 - 07:45 pm, by:  Walter Gillmore (Cl33pa) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

goneskies. unfortunate. but allows you to build the next motor up before chuckin it in :-)
Matthew Werner
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jzz30 TT

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Monday, August 24, 2009 - 09:34 pm, by:  Matthew Werner (Matto_888) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

90 psi dry!!!!! that's nasty...
Robert Day
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Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 08:07 am, by:  Robert Day (Lexsmaz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It might pay to check the cam timing, before you do anything drastic, if its say jumped a couple of teeth or more it would be enough to effect the cranking comp figures & also make it not start too .. Certainly worth a look i feel ..

Does it have injection & spark ...

Rob ..
Martin Costa
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Friday, August 28, 2009 - 09:18 am, by:  Martin Costa (Mxmarty) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

cam timing was the first thing checked , its correct. it has spark and injection
Martin Costa
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Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 09:54 am, by:  Martin Costa (Mxmarty) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

to help everyone out i found out what the problem was ..

turbo exhaust wheel fell apart and blocked the cat converter , remove exhaust and it runs fine ..
Walter Gillmore
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Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 08:50 pm, by:  Walter Gillmore (Cl33pa) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

holy crap! thats some serious turbo smashage! lol

so the blocked converter prevented it from starting or firing at all?
Matthew Werner
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Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 11:54 pm, by:  Matthew Werner (Matto_888) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

there you go see.. removing exhaust has more then one benefit....
Shane Haverkamp
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Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 07:50 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

why would something like that affect the compression test?
Aiden Cheese
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Friday, October 16, 2009 - 02:41 pm, by:  Aiden Cheese (Chillpen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

because the wheel ruined a valve on its way out? or maybe the comp test wasn't so accurate? not sure
Walter Gillmore
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Friday, October 16, 2009 - 06:04 pm, by:  Walter Gillmore (Cl33pa) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the exhaust wheel fell off. so it would have gone straight out the dump to the cat. no travelling through the combustion process..

sorry to post this on your thread but can anyone tell me what i'm supposed to do to remove the 'rear light' warning? it comes up when i have the headlights switched on.. is it because i am using 91 tailights on a 95??
Aiden Cheese
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Monday, October 19, 2009 - 09:41 am, by:  Aiden Cheese (Chillpen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

oh right. duh

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