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Ty Mackay
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Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 03:35 pm, by:  Ty Mackay (Duo89) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hi guys was stuck at repco today. good spot for the car to die in! :-)

i tried to turn the car over and it didnt turn over so i assumed flat battery?. but the volts were stay at around 12.5, i thought what else..

then i heard after i turned it over the fuel pump and then i heard a quick bubbling sound(not sure if this is normal)

and then i decided to take the key out, turn immoboliser on then of again and tried it again and the car started..

im not really sure the cause but obviously the immoboliser, anyone have any suggestions though?
Jol Alexander
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Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 03:38 pm, by:  Jol Alexander (Courage) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can only guess. Don't think it was immobiliser.. any chance it was in gear, or the car thought it was?
David Grab
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Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 04:00 pm, by:  David Grab (Blastedbyasoarer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Probably your starter motor is on its way out. Soon enough it will totally go and you wont be able to start it. Probably the solenoid is sticking, anyway just get a second hand starter as you dont wanna know the price from Toyota.
Scott Wilkes
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Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 05:26 pm, by:  Scott Wilkes (Scottywilkes) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

dont bother with second hand, your buying a unknown condition starter, best to get it rebuilt at a auto electrcian with new brushes and get the comm cut and new solenoid put in, shouldnt be more than 150
Ty Mackay
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Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 05:39 pm, by:  Ty Mackay (Duo89) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i hope its not the starter motor...
any chance i could possibly just give it a light tap with a hammer haha! old school?

i plugged the battery into a charger its not fully charged but didnt think it was low enough to not start the car...

i went to the shops when it happened, it started after a few ticks it tried to start but struggled, went to another shops came back out started fine no problems, went to repco happened again.. but after i turned immobolisier on then off, it started maybe just coincidence?

got home, flushed the raidator refilled it, now when i try to kick it over, it doesnt even struggle just doesnt do anything..
Matthew Werner
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Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 06:37 pm, by:  Matthew Werner (Matto_888) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

well all electrical components work on smoke... they are filled with it. that is what makes them work.....

if the solenoid doesn't actuate, the starter motor won't spin... if the starter motor isn't getting power then neither will work.. easy test is to chock the car jack up the passenger side.. locate the terminals on the starter and short them out.. leave the key out and make sure its in park with the hand brake on... short out the big red wire and the little skinny signal wire.. that should kick the starter.. if it doesn't kick.. check for power in the big wire, if it just ticks and won't spin then your electric motor is either seized or open circuit..
scott has the right idea.. get an auto electrician to tear it apart and check if some one has let the smoke out of it...
Ty Mackay
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Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 07:19 pm, by:  Ty Mackay (Duo89) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

o.O yeah that sounds a little bit complicated for me as i dont really know what im doing..

ill take in the adivce and have a look, but probably leave it up to pro's if its around 150 expensive but not that bad :-) :-)


however. when i tried to start it again, nothing, but i could hear the starter click twice. took battery back inside and put it on charge and it was kinda dead.

so im hopping the click i heard when i tried to turn it over is good news and its the battery o.O

haha!
Jol Alexander
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Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 08:19 pm, by:  Jol Alexander (Courage) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

so.. try another battery? That obvious, but it could also mean your alternator is dead too (battery not charging)
Ty Mackay
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Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 08:34 pm, by:  Ty Mackay (Duo89) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i dont have 100 bucks to blow on a battery at the moment haha! especially if thats not the cause, so ill charge it :-)

well other than the starter motor i was thinking alternator... isnt there also a warning message for this that comes up if thats the case?

if its the alternator i wont be to bothered as thats easy to do :-)

anyone know a tutorial or guide to removing the starter motor? :-)
Peter Nitschke
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Friday, October 30, 2009 - 03:13 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Checked that your battery terminals are clean and tight?
Matthew Werner
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Friday, October 30, 2009 - 08:57 am, by:  Matthew Werner (Matto_888) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

$100?? where you getting yours from... century n70z is 230.... and racq 4704 are 195...

the soarer needs a big bastard to power all the electrics man.. have a look on the bat sticker and see how many A/H (amps per hour)it has on it.. also a CCA rating should be around 800 or so..
David Grab
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Friday, October 30, 2009 - 09:17 am, by:  David Grab (Blastedbyasoarer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah i looked at a recon job for my starter, they wanted $350. Toyota wanted $1500 for a new item, i think $450 for just the solenoid.

Best thing to do is use a mates battery or your parents battery to test it that helps, just aslong as its 500-550CCA if not more. If that doesnt help start looking at a starter motor or saving for a recondition of your existing one.
Miles Baker
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Friday, October 30, 2009 - 09:36 am, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You don't need a 70 battery. I used a smaller one for ages and it's still in the car. Uzz31.
Jol Alexander
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Friday, October 30, 2009 - 09:38 am, by:  Jol Alexander (Courage) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Why haven't any of our WA members offered to come around? .. whats going on people!
Ty Mackay
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Friday, October 30, 2009 - 10:34 am, by:  Ty Mackay (Duo89) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the battery i have is a crappy cheap one, i understand i need a big bastard, but it was only to be a short term thing but ive never had any problems with it..

it was inconsistant yesterday starting then not starting etc, so i assume its the starter motor?...

however i recharged the battery fully and tried and and still nothing, electrics all come on. but wouldnt kick over..
Daniel Panickar
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Friday, October 30, 2009 - 12:55 pm, by:  Daniel Panickar (Frosty) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ty, i think it most probably is the starter motor. Had the same problem with my old camry. I'd recommend just getting it reconditioned or call Japwreck in Cannington/Beckenham to get a price on a second hand one
Ty Mackay
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Friday, October 30, 2009 - 01:09 pm, by:  Ty Mackay (Duo89) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

alright i might give them a ring, kyp quoted me 100. thing is, i dunno what im buying?.. if i buy the starter motor i dunno what could be missing that i need haha!

anyone got a picture for me?

also! does anyone have or done a guide to doing the starter motor im sure its pretty basic i just want to be sure :-)
Shane Haverkamp
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Friday, October 30, 2009 - 04:05 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

things you could check are:

check all the "cells" in your battery make sure they are filled up with what ever it specifies on the battery (deminerised water most times)

stolen from toymods thread:

1) disconnect the battery
2) remove the starter motor
3) undo the end cap and long through-bolts, and remove the end cover carefully
4) check the brushes are long enough to press firmly on the commutator
5) remove the brush plate, carefully removing the brushes as necessary
6) clean the dirty areas on the brushes and commutator (this may need fine sandpaper)
7) clean out the slots on the commutator
8) check the drive pinion operates smoothly (WD40 is good to losen it)
9) re-grease the shafts and reassemble the motor parts
10) re-fit the motor



something else to try is this:
http://www.toymods.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3334&highlight=starter+motor+relay

had starter issues with my celica and installed this and fixed it.
Ty Mackay
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Friday, October 30, 2009 - 04:10 pm, by:  Ty Mackay (Duo89) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

nice post, thanks, firstly i have no idea how to take the starter motor out haha!

and also i grabbed a 2jz starter motor today, as i was told its stronger, but he also said it fits to the 1jz.

anyone experienced this is it pretty much a straight swap?...
Ty Mackay
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Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 03:16 pm, by:  Ty Mackay (Duo89) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

anyone know if it will fit like normal?
Jol Alexander
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Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 03:26 pm, by:  Jol Alexander (Courage) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ty, do the aussie thing.. put up a desperate plea for help and offer a slab as reward for someone to swap it out for you.
Ty Mackay
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Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 06:01 pm, by:  Ty Mackay (Duo89) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Free Slab for anyone willing to have a crack at it...

i have a 1jz and the starter motor is a 2jz whether is fits and all the cords are there i got no idea hahaha! anyone who can possible wire up as well..
Matthew Werner
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Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 07:14 pm, by:  Matthew Werner (Matto_888) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yep.. i put a 2jz starter motor in my 1jz... starts it very well with little effort.. and yes mine bolted straight in. same wires and all.. there are 3 bolts.. 2 holding the starter to the engine and one holding the big red wire to the solenoid... then just unclip the signal wire and it will slot out... make sure you disconnect the battery first thou.
Ty Mackay
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Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 08:14 pm, by:  Ty Mackay (Duo89) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i know this might sound stupid but is it on the passenger side?.. like where the abs i think it is. is? or am i looking at something completely different?...
Matthew Werner
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Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 01:59 am, by:  Matthew Werner (Matto_888) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yea passenger side.. you have to get under the car.. its right where the engine joins on with the gearbox..its actually mounted to the gearbox but runs parallel to the engine...
Ty Mackay
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Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 05:24 pm, by:  Ty Mackay (Duo89) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ok had a look today jacked the car up, however i dont really a big enough jack to be able to get under the car...

lots of oil on it, so i degreased it and had another look.

and i tried to match it up with the 2jz i got so i can tell were the screws are, and i got no idea what im doing haha!

one of the screw i got idea how to get to, seeing as i cant get to it from the top..
UPDATE: also tried hooking up a huge battery to it, was running at 13.4 volts and still wouldnt start...

however im not hearing or heard any grinding or loud nosies coming from the starter motor that makes it show signs of wear before it dies. so is there any other possibility its not the starter and another problem?
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Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 07:01 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)



number 4 is your starter motor.

anyone have the link to the soarer bible/manual it will explain the process of removing the starter motor for you
Ty Mackay
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Monday, November 02, 2009 - 02:48 pm, by:  Ty Mackay (Duo89) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

that would be awesome if someone knows the link!!

had a look yesterday... lots of oil... so degreased it, and had a look with a torch..

so far.. you cant get to it from the top..

at the bottom im seeing 1 or 2 screws i think?
and no way of reaching one of the screws..

time for my mechanic i think..

unless someone can find the process for me! im having a little trouble..
Ty Mackay
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Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 12:17 am, by:  Ty Mackay (Duo89) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

anyone have any luck with the manual? :-)

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