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Supadej Akrawichien
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Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 02:43 am, by:  Supadej Akrawichien (Lomo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have recently purchased a cabin manual boost controller. However, it doesn't seem to work well. The problem is that, it seems to boost to maximum boost even though the controller is turned to minimum.

I have try to connect in 2 ways:
First attempt--------
- rear compressor is blocked
- rear wastegate actuator is connected to the front wastegate with metal T-Piece, in the direction of arrow pointing toward wastegate.
- front compressor is connected to the other side of metal T-piece.
- Top of metal T-piece is connected to the controller


Second attempt-------
- rear compressor is connected to front compressor with extra T-piece
- rear wastegate is connected to front wastegate with extra T-piece
- The connected wastegate is then connected to metal T-piece, in the direction of arrow points towards wastegate.
- The connected compressor is connected to the other side of metal T-piece
- Top of metal T-piece is then connected to controller

Both of them result in turbo cut due to max boost. ECU cuts at 1 bar.

Any help or idea will be much appreciated.
Cheers.
Marc Hoffmann
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Vic
Soarer TT

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Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 11:12 am, by:  Marc Hoffmann (Rushed) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

mine with stock turbos used to hit boost cut with just; bfi, intercooler, stock dump, well designed 3" bump back > 2x 2.5" exhaust.

i didn't bother with the manual controllers after reading the 100's of posts on spiking, i went a gizzmo, but i set mine up the same as your second attempt (if i am reading it right), theres a pic of how to do it floating around somewhere.

do you have a boost gauge to have a friend stare at it to see if it is spiking?
Supadej Akrawichien
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Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 12:58 pm, by:  Supadej Akrawichien (Lomo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeh I have the boost gauge, I will have a look today.
James Harris
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Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 09:40 pm, by:  James Harris (Haro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

oooh this one has come up a few times indeed.

CUE from stage LEFT.... that bloody computer image of the boost controller install with the twin turbos that has been floating around forever and has popped up numerous times on this site and others and was apparently created by some clever gentleman who frequents this particular site from time to time and may or may not still own a Toyota Soarer with the twin turbo engine.....



umm where was I ?

OH YEH !!

CUE . . .
Supadej Akrawichien
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Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 10:16 pm, by:  Supadej Akrawichien (Lomo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm sorry James, but would you mind to explain in more detail? I don't really get what you mean.

Cheers.
Scott Wilkes
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Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 10:21 pm, by:  Scott Wilkes (Scottywilkes) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

tada



This what u mean james old boy? HAHA
James Harris
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Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 10:27 pm, by:  James Harris (Haro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

WOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!! SUPER HAPPY FUN PARTY TIME !





Scott Wilkes
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Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 10:30 pm, by:  Scott Wilkes (Scottywilkes) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

HAHAHA, you worry me sometimes haro
Supadej Akrawichien
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Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 10:31 pm, by:  Supadej Akrawichien (Lomo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I followed that image, but as I understood from you that this is incorrect way. So would you mind to say how to install it correctly?
Scott Wilkes
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Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 10:35 pm, by:  Scott Wilkes (Scottywilkes) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thats correct old boy, have my AVCR connected exactly like that and it works a charm :-)
Supadej Akrawichien
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Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 10:44 pm, by:  Supadej Akrawichien (Lomo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My boost controller is different.

Here how it is:

Upload


I have it connected like I have explained in second attempt. Please guide me of what has gone wrong.
James Harris
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Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 10:47 pm, by:  James Harris (Haro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

mate just start again.

REMOVE ALL lines and follow the FAMED image above!


Scott Wilkes wrote on Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 10:30 pm:

HAHAHA, you worry me sometimes haro




aaah that was satisfying Mr Wilkes hahaha, i appreciate it!
Supadej Akrawichien
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Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 10:51 pm, by:  Supadej Akrawichien (Lomo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Alright, I will redo everything accordingly to the image above. One question though, should the arrow of metal T-piece points toward wastegate or compressor?

Thank you very much for all your helps.
James Harris
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Monday, November 23, 2009 - 11:06 am, by:  James Harris (Haro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That arrow is the AIR FLOW DIRECTION...

From looking at your pics, im assuming that device on the top right of the picture is simply a T piece.

So i would be putting the PRESSURE side into the IN ARROW on the actual controller (the one with the knob) as then you can BLEED the pressure off which will keep the wastegates open more to create more boost which is the whole point of a bleed valve.

BLUE hose into ARROW


** oh and if its wrong all it means is simply swap the hoses over. Also make sure your controller is wound completely to OFF , technically speaking your boost levels should not even change.


*** another tip. Try and use equal lengths of hose , not sure if it REALLY makes a difference but i have been told it keeps the twins happy.

Aiden Cheese
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Monday, November 23, 2009 - 11:47 am, by:  Aiden Cheese (Chillpen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I also have a question, if a boost controller is hooked up like that, it's going to have both turbo's set to the same boost? IE: not come on sequentially, but instead come on together?

(You'll have to forgive how new i am to forced induction :-) )
James Harris
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Monday, November 23, 2009 - 02:13 pm, by:  James Harris (Haro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The turbos in our SOARERS do not work sequentially anyways Aiden. They are BI-turbo.

Always spool the same PSI (unless they are FU-bar'd haha)

Its the Supras ( 2JZs) that run two different size turbos to give a low response then a higher rev response.
Aiden Cheese
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Monday, November 23, 2009 - 03:00 pm, by:  Aiden Cheese (Chillpen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Neat-o
Scott Wilkes
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Monday, November 23, 2009 - 05:26 pm, by:  Scott Wilkes (Scottywilkes) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

james, actually the 2JZ turbos are both the same size, how it works is it has a bypass between the 2 turbos, through a series of complete solenoids, and valves, all 6 cylinders power 1 turbo (as you can imagine, being alot more responsive than 3 cylidners)

Once a certain RPM is reached, this bypass is closed off and the 2nd turbo is now powered by 3 cyliders and the other by 3.

Its pretty complex and im crap at explaining so yeah haha.

BTW they only have 1 wastegate for the 2 turbos :-)
James Harris
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Monday, November 23, 2009 - 06:18 pm, by:  James Harris (Haro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

me is learned now!
Supadej Akrawichien
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Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 12:04 am, by:  Supadej Akrawichien (Lomo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OK! I have taken off the metal T-piece provided, and replaced with normal plastic T-piece, and connected hoses like diagram above. Now it works but it can only boost to 0.8 bar max even though I tried to turn the controller up all the way.
James Harris
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Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 11:33 am, by:  James Harris (Haro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What was it boosting before you installed the controller ?
Supadej Akrawichien
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Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 01:57 pm, by:  Supadej Akrawichien (Lomo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It was standard boost with no modification except pod filter. I was boosting around 0.5 - 0.6 bar.

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