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Justin Rieve
Tinkerer
Victoria
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Reg: 11-2006
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Went to start my car last week too find that it wont start...it makes a whining sound when turning the key, engine wouldnt turn on...I thought the starter motor was dead so i have now installed a 2J starter, but this has not fixed the problem??
The car stills makes the whining sound while trying to start the engine, now, it almost starts, it gets to the point of cranking over but then goes back to the whining sound...
All fuses are ok, the problem doesnt seem electrical...could be fuel problem eg. FPR, fuel pump(i can hear the fuel pump working though)
Any help would be greatly appreciated...thanks |
Matt Sartori
DieHard
Western Australia
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Posts: 677
Reg: 08-2008
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Tried jump starting it? Or swap in a friends battery and try to start it.
Sounds like the battery has enough charge to turn the engine over but not enough to get it started. |
Chris Prak
DieHard
WA
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Posts: 836
Reg: 12-2006
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Yeah, battery is dead. It's not even cranking. Once it cranks, thats when the party begins with the air/fuel and banging. If ya know what I mean.
If the starter is dead, it will just tick (when confirmed with new battery).
If starter and battery are fine, but no fuel/air/compression, then it will crank and crank like normal with full power and belts will turn over easily, but no start. |
Justin Rieve
Tinkerer
Victoria
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Posts: 67
Reg: 11-2006
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Thanks for the help guys...i tried two fully charged batteries and engine still doesnt turn over...again, it gets to the point of sounding like its about to start then dies again. Starter is defenitely working...any other ideas???
Cheers |
Matt Newman
TryHard
QLD
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Posts: 248
Reg: 11-2007
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hey mate just an idea but are your battery terminals clean i had a few problems with mine not starting every now and then and it was my negative terminal and it didn't look to bad. after i cleaned it with a bit of wet and dry i didn't have a problem
matt |
Chris Prak
DieHard
WA
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Reg: 12-2006
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Pretty hard diagnosing it over the internet... but, test your starter with a BRAND new battery. Meaning, use a direct current to see if it cranks the starter. I don't know what else could seize the motor that bad till it doesn't even want to turn. Only thing I can think of is the lack of power to turn the crank initially. |
Dan McColl
Goo Roo
Victoria (The Nazi State)
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Posts: 2649
Reg: 07-2005
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Fuel pump ecu. You'll have to search the forum for it, I'm afraid. |
Justin Rieve
Tinkerer
Victoria
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Posts: 68
Reg: 11-2006
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Thanks again everyone...Il give the terminal cleaning and the direct link up with the starter from battery a try tomorrow...
Dan, il bridge the FP ECU tomorrow and see how i go...thanks again guys |
Chris Prak
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WA
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Reg: 12-2006
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Can't be FP ECU. It's not even cranking yet. Can't hurt to try though. Fp B+ bridge.
When I say testing the starter, the starter has to be OFF the motor. |
Dan McColl
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Chris Prak wrote on Sunday, June 20, 2010 - 11:34 pm:Can't be FP ECU. It's not even cranking yet.
Justin Rieve wrote on Sunday, June 20, 2010 - 02:28 pm:it gets to the point of sounding like its about to start then dies again. Starter is defenitely working
Chris, This gave me the impression otherwise. |
Dan McColl
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Victoria (The Nazi State)
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Possibly crank or cam angle sensor failure. |
Justin Rieve
Tinkerer
Victoria
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Posts: 69
Reg: 11-2006
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Well, over the past few days I have tried a few things...i charged my battery using a battery charger (little indicator thing said it was fully charged), i put all new gold terminals on the battery, bypassed the FP ECU, checked every fuse in the car, checked the starter motor and is fine...im pretty stumped, how do i check crank/cam angle sensor, im guessing i have to take cam belt off and put a mark on the cam like you do when doing a 100k service...i have called a mobile mechanic but he wont be around for a week so still open for ideas...cheers |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
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Posts: 11658
Reg: 11-2004
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So to be clear. The starter is cranking the engine over yes? It then sputters a bit but doesn't quite get started yes?
It might be just me, but you don't seem to be clearly saying what is really happening.
If you answer yes to both the above, do you smell petrol out the exhaust after cranking? |
Justin Rieve
Tinkerer
Victoria
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Posts: 70
Reg: 11-2006
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Peter, sorry if i didnt make it clear...the engine never actually gets to the point of turning over, it almost does then goes back to the usual ignition sound...so the answer is NO the above... |
Cameron Laufer
DieHard
Queensland
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Posts: 967
Reg: 12-2007
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Blown headgasket or leaking injector in turn water, oil or fuel is above the piston causing a hydraulic lock, mate try removing the spark plugs then disconnect the ignitor and the crank the engine over and let me know what happens also if any water, oil or fuel comes out the spark plug holes |
Rob Rojo
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NSW
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Sounds like its seized!
Could be due to lack of oil or blocked oil pump, have you checked the oil lately?
Remove the spark plugs and turn the motor with a 22mm socket and breaker bar on the crank, |
Peter Nitschke
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South Australia
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I agree with both above, and go with Rob's suggestion to crank it manually with the ignition OFF. If you crank with the starter motor, petrol could squirt out quite some distance and a spark, eg from the plug leads, could make your day a lot more interesting than Kevin Rudds day has been. |
Justin Rieve
Tinkerer
Victoria
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Reg: 11-2006
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Thanks again guys, i took the starter off again today and re-checked it with a battery, it defenitly works, i also tried starting the car with 2 batteries hooked up to make sure it wasnt a lack of power...the engine actually turned over after holding the ignition on for about 5 sec, but would turn on for about 2sec and cough and splutter and i can smell petrol out the exhaust. I have bought new oil and plugs so i will try the above tommorow...one more thing i noticed (cant remember if this is normal) but i can hear a rushing/gushing sound coming from the fuel rail/FPR area of the engine after i stop turning the ignition...il keep you guys posted and thanks heaps for all this help! |
Sebastian Grant
Goo Roo
nsw
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Maybe your fuel pressure regulator is stuffed allowing fuel to leak straight into the plenum. Same thing happened to me. That gushing sound you hear could be fuel/oil spitting out the pcv valve.
Check the oil to see if there is any fuel in there. |
Shane Haverkamp
TryHard
nsw
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Reg: 10-2007
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is there any way you can check what voltage is getting to the starter motor ie with a multimeter on one of the terminals and earthed somewhere else
also dont want to sound silly but have you made sure the gear box is in park when you try and turn it over, it wont start in any other gear (maybe neutral??) |
Chris Prak
DieHard
WA
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Posts: 846
Reg: 12-2006
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Justin, I'm having the same problem as you. Stupid as it seems I have tried a lot of things like Fuel pump, Fuel Filter, Coilpacks, Spark plugs, Fuel Reg, FP ECU bypass, o2 sensor, cam sensor, ignitor and Main ECU. The only thing I haven't tested and suspecting as the rest have been ruled out is a compression test. I know it's stupid not to do it in the beginning but I can't get my hands on one. For an engine to fire, you need 3 things: Air, Fuel and Spark... Make sure ALL these are running the way they should be.
Try the things I've listed. Though by the sound of your problem, it's not even turning over yet. Does it turn over easily by hand using the 22mm crank bolt?
Edit: re-read your post, guess you got it to turn and some-what fire, so disregard the last paragraph. |
Justin Rieve
Tinkerer
Victoria
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Posts: 72
Reg: 11-2006
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CAR IS FIXED!! The issue was a little weird, the trigger wire that turns the starter motor on must have been faulty, so i fixed it up and away it went...i tried all the other things, taking plugs out and turning motor on, i gave it a full service and it seems to run ok...thanks everyone for helping me out with all the advice, most appreciated |
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