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Matthew Weaver
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Victoria
Soarer TT

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Monday, October 04, 2010 - 12:15 am, by:  Matthew Weaver (Spinna) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6ZIxOIBnIs

Flutter what is it and what dose it do???

That's what some people ask and say some say it stuff's up the turbo other say its just noise well there all wrong

Flutter is air bouncing back and forward from the turbos the makes this sound which is call'd compression surges

there have been no record of compression surges stuffing up turbos no one knows what or how it would stuff up the turbos people have been running compression surges and there turbos are still running strong if anyone have anything to say or add to this feel free to add things about compression surges if i've miss'd anything let me know cheers guys
Matt Sartori
DieHard
Western Australia
Rx7

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Monday, October 04, 2010 - 12:48 am, by:  Matt Sartori (Klutch) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

one of my mates has a Cefiro crossover pipe on his r32 skyline, which allows him to run no bov.

Along with that it has a metal intake pipe, doses quite loudly and hard.

Can't help but laugh every time i drive with him, though i don't see the point to it
Matthew Weaver
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Victoria
Soarer TT

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Monday, October 04, 2010 - 01:01 am, by:  Matthew Weaver (Spinna) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

because chicks love the soooo tututu noise lol
Guy Moore
TryHard
QLD
mmm manual & lsd goodness

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Monday, October 04, 2010 - 08:38 am, by:  Guy Moore (Thesoarerguy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That sounds cool as
Jeff Bedsor
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TT

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Monday, October 04, 2010 - 10:03 am, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Matthew Weaver wrote on Monday, October 04, 2010 - 12:15 am:

Flutter is air bouncing back and forward from the turbos the makes this sound which is call'd compression surg




It's compressor surge not compression surge, at least find out the proper name before you go making ill informed statements like you have.
Have a read of the link below it's a good description of how it all works.
http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28060
Matthew Weaver
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Soarer TT

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Monday, October 04, 2010 - 07:00 pm, by:  Matthew Weaver (Spinna) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

some people say compression.

and others say compressor

but as you say the the proper name for it is compressor as i say i thank you for picking me up on that
Rob Rojo
Goo Roo
NSW
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Monday, October 04, 2010 - 08:12 pm, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Jeff Bedsor wrote on Monday, October 04, 2010 - 10:03 am:

Have a read of the link below it's a good description of how it all works.
http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28060



Good description and makes a lot of sense.
Mark Pattel
TryHard
Queensland
RT142 with a 1jz and R154 5 speed

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Monday, October 04, 2010 - 08:46 pm, by:  Mark Pattel  (Mark1414) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I run a stock bov blocked off on my car and it flutters a little bit, no where near as loud or long as that though. I think it sounds better than any atmo venting bov and its free and you wont get defected for it.
Steven Anderson
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NSW
UZZ31 Manual

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Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 03:54 pm, by:  Steven Anderson (Cusscuss) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

that top one is flutter, probably shouldnt kill the turbo, but it wont exactly help it either.

This is surge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCj6Spwl1CU this is very bad.
Matthew Weaver
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Victoria
Soarer TT

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Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 04:24 pm, by:  Matthew Weaver (Spinna) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yeah true but no one has ever came forward and said that my turbo has die due to compressor surge or not that i know of
Layton Molenaar
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SA
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Friday, October 08, 2010 - 03:30 pm, by:  Layton Molenaar (Rbdestroyer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Alot of people get 'flutter'from either blocking off or removing their bov and theres no where for the excess boost to go. But most of you would already know that.

You want flutter? Ill give you flutter...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQigvnPdXLc
Layton Molenaar
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Friday, October 08, 2010 - 03:35 pm, by:  Layton Molenaar (Rbdestroyer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBFeXCD_nvE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnTx081FeKs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbn-ijaxy3U

They dont call him 'Mr Flutter' for nothing haha
Layton Molenaar
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Friday, October 08, 2010 - 03:38 pm, by:  Layton Molenaar (Rbdestroyer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh and i just got the gold insert for my hks ssqv (goin on the supra)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JspG-FM8KJY&feature=related
Chris Round
TryHard
WA
Soarer TT JZZ30

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Friday, October 08, 2010 - 11:50 pm, by:  Chris Round (Hermie) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Layton -

a) where did you get that from
b) how much
c) how is it installed
d) how does a little fin make a difference to the noise???

if the answers to those questions suit me - I WANT!!!!!! - love my SSQV already - thats even nicer
Matt Sartori
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Saturday, October 09, 2010 - 12:16 am, by:  Matt Sartori (Klutch) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Chris Round wrote on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 11:50 pm:

d) how does a little fin make a difference to the noise???




It changes the way the air leaves the BOV, causing the sound to change.
Tao Shangguan
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Melbourne
TT

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Saturday, October 09, 2010 - 12:32 am, by:  Tao Shangguan (Hypergear) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Comp surge can cause damages to a turbocharger which is why most turbo cars are fitted with some sort of recirculation valve.

I've rebuilt 2x XR6 GT3582s span shafts inside comp wheel due to comp surge. Because the owner wanted to hear the flatter.

In a bush bearing setup, surge pressure forces comp wheel to spin towards turbine side while cancellation pressure (oil pressure and exhaust manifold pressure) are unpressent / Low. Leave you with a worned thrust bearing at the cold side through time. Resulting shaft play.

So my advise is run a BOV
Layton Molenaar
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Saturday, October 09, 2010 - 07:04 am, by:  Layton Molenaar (Rbdestroyer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Chris just genuine hks so off their website or ebay man. 50 delivered. And ya just pull the bov nossle apart and swap em over. What matt said is correct. Do u just have the standard one? (High pitched release)

Tao is right u need some sort of release for your excess boost. Where is to gonna go when the throttle is released?
Chris Round
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Saturday, October 09, 2010 - 03:11 pm, by:  Chris Round (Hermie) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Layton, yes I have the HKS SSQV.

Might have to look into that - now that my car is up and running again I will be driving it more :-) :-)
Layton Molenaar
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Saturday, October 09, 2010 - 07:22 pm, by:  Layton Molenaar (Rbdestroyer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hmm i just put mine on and it made no difference? What the? Ill have to contact the seller and hks

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