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Hakan Pasha
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Victoria
JZZ30

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Saturday, December 25, 2010 - 01:27 pm, by:  Hakan Pasha (Hakanpasha) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What a way to spend the holidays but here it goes...

The last couple of days I have been slowly working on changing a few things on the engine: adjustable cam gears, new spark plugs, new coil pack connectors and new rocker cover gasket. Also changed the ventilation hoses and the valve (RH cam cover) as they split when trying to remove them.

Simple enough job, waited overnight for the gasket goo to cure and started the car this morning. It started OK then started making spluttering noises and was idling really badly and hesitating as if it was about to stall. Took it out for a drive, it drove OK (barely) still hesitating and fluttering. WOT - the same deal.

I've checked over some threads on the forum - checked over the hose on the rear of the engine etc. Everything seems connected up.

Can't seem to find what the problem is...

I do recall not paying much attention when I changed over wires for the first clip (front of the engine) in terms of their orientation. What effect can it have they aren't put into the connector housing the right way round?

Is there anything else I should check over?
What are possible causes for this kind of misfire/hesitation/spluttering?

Thanks in advance.
Matchy Loi
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GTT

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Saturday, December 25, 2010 - 11:57 pm, by:  Matchy Loi (Ftk148) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sounds like an ignition problem. Perhaps one of your coil packs isn't connected properly.

Check your coil packs for ignition.
Chris Prak
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WA
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Sunday, December 26, 2010 - 03:41 am, by:  Chris Prak (Carizma) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

map sensor hose? otherwise, yeah, ignition problem. disconnect the coilpacks one at a time. the one that has no difference is the one thats playing up.
Austen Menze
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WA
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Sunday, December 26, 2010 - 01:11 pm, by:  Austen Menze (Mercyfulfate) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can you hear a vac leak?

Could be that little hose which is connected to that big metal U shaped pipe which goes around the back of the head.

I always forget that one haha
Hakan Pasha
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Monday, December 27, 2010 - 03:50 pm, by:  Hakan Pasha (Hakanpasha) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

All solved now!

Checked all the ignition components again - spark plug gaps, coil packs and their resistances, coil pack connectors...

Disconnected the clips from the coil packs one at a time, as Chris suggested, narrowed the problem down to Cylinder 4. Turned out to be improper wiring orientation in the coil pack connector! Didn't pay much attention to the orientation so that's what caused this problem.

Though gotta mention the iridium's are fantastic, noticed much better ignition performance than before.

Austen, there was no vac leak noise but those hoses were the first thing I checked after doing a bit of research on the topic on this forum.

Thanks again guys, really appreciate it!
Austen Menze
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Monday, December 27, 2010 - 04:31 pm, by:  Austen Menze (Mercyfulfate) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good to see you got it sorted mate! do one
Gary Poloskei
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Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 08:50 am, by:  Gary Poloskei (Mikrucio) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

gasket goo? I know this problem is solved.. but what did u put gasket goo on?
Ben Lipman
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SA
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Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 09:52 am, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Hakan Pasha wrote on Saturday, December 25, 2010 - 01:27 pm:

new rocker cover gasket




maybe when he put the rocker cover back on the top of his ole 186...

I assume he is talking about the cam covers. I still call them rocker covers from time to time. I don't recall using gasket goo on them though. The two crescent cutouts at the back where the cams are inserted might require it though?
Hakan Pasha
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Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 04:35 pm, by:  Hakan Pasha (Hakanpasha) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Gary Poloskei wrote on Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 08:50 am:

gasket goo? I know this problem is solved.. but what did u put gasket goo on?



I put a smidgen on along the gasket where it comes in contact with the engine block as more of a precaution than anything else, otherwise you don't have to use gasket goo.

When removing the old gaskets I found traces of gasket goo on there from the previous owner I guess, so I don't think there's any harm in using it.


Ben Lipman wrote on Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 09:52 am:

I assume he is talking about the cam covers. I still call them rocker covers from time to time.



lol, yes each time I meant to say cam covers!
Daniel Clarke
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Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 07:08 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No need for gasket goo , just takes more time to clean up next time you change them .
Brett Harrison
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Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 08:33 pm, by:  Brett Harrison (Bretto) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Would have to agree there, not to mention blocked oil and water passages, as it breaks of inside the engine. Remember this stuff is designed not to break down with oil or water. I think it has a purpose, just be careful where you use it. New rubber gaskets can be laid on dry and they will be fine, if the mating surface isn't perfect you can use loctite non hardening gasket sealer.

my 2 cents
Aiden Cheese
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Wednesday, January 05, 2011 - 11:18 am, by:  Aiden Cheese (Chillpen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Brett Harrison wrote on Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 08:33 pm:

, if the mating surface isn't perfect you can use loctite non hardening gasket sealer.


What's the difference between this and gasket goo?
Layton Molenaar
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Wednesday, January 05, 2011 - 11:57 am, by:  Layton Molenaar (Rbdestroyer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yea i use aviation seal on rocker (cam) covers. Especially with older cars. Its a good way to keep the gasket fresh and not harden up (rubber) with my experience. And yea for the cresent areas or akward spots its good to hold it on. Good when doin sump gasket too. Just for the oil sling you get.

my 2c haha

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