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Jeff Bedsor
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TT

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Friday, October 14, 2011 - 12:34 pm, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just think what you could do if you ran slicks, you could probably beat Kia's.
Brett Harrison
DieHard
QLD
JZZ30

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Friday, October 14, 2011 - 12:36 pm, by:  Brett Harrison (Bretto) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Its either street legal, or it isn't, pretty simple. As long as you compare apples with apples, all is good.
James Tims
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Vic
TT

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Friday, October 14, 2011 - 12:59 pm, by:  James Tims (Timzy) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Jeff Bedsor wrote on Friday, October 14, 2011 - 12:34 pm:

Just think what you could do if you ran slicks, you could probably beat Kia's.




It's struggling at the moment but it'll get there, eventually I hope to take on the Mighty Kia's with all their power and might :-)

In all honesty I think good tyres makes a massive difference, atm if I plant the foot down it just loses traction straight away and that's with Michelin PS2's...quarter mile not so sure how I'll go, I'll just stick to taking on Corolla's haha
Danny Dinh
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Victoria
GT T

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Friday, October 14, 2011 - 01:17 pm, by:  Danny Dinh (Xtc) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Adrian you should search for their timeslips, they've been posted in this forum.
Jeff Bedsor
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Friday, October 14, 2011 - 02:39 pm, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My first run with the soarer unmodified I think I pulled a 14.45, put in the work and do the right mods and there's no reason why anyone can't get under 12 secs.
One thing on the street tyre subject, the guys that prep the track hate street tyres as they tend to rip up the rubber that's been laid down by the slicks(soft tyres with minimal tread pattern). It's one reason why they wont let street cars do a burnout through the start line at most strips.
Sebastian Grant
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nsw
soarer TT

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Friday, October 14, 2011 - 02:58 pm, by:  Sebastian Grant (Saabg) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I doubt my car would be much quicker with slicks anyway. the night I went the track was prepared really well and I didn't get much wheel spin at all. Theres been plenty of cars running street tyres at every meet I've attended, probably more than slicks. It is a street meet after all.
Adrian McGuire
DieHard
Queensland
soarer 2.5 turbo

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Friday, October 14, 2011 - 03:03 pm, by:  Adrian McGuire (Adro) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

danny i have seen and read some of the time slips, like i said it wasnt directed towards anyone in specific.
Daniel Clarke
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NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder

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Friday, October 14, 2011 - 08:06 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sebastian I wasnt aiming at Anyone or Any cars ...

As for your reply with my quotes , Whats wrong with having rpm and boost as response ? Sorry if i like having a daily driven car that has bugger all lag , compared to most who complain about it .

A Prepped track is nothing like a street anyway , so all that street tyred street trim stuff is useless anyway . When comparing Road surfaces vs Track surfaces .

Ive seen cars run faster @ the strip than quoted by magazines due to the extra traction from a prepped surface .

I dont hold it against people for racing @ the drags with whatever tyre they choose . I DO wonder why people spend so much $$$ on mods but complain about lack of traction when pushing decent power . As a small amount of $$$ can = Potential reached :-)

Edit :- just read all the thtread , couldnt read it all due to IE errors .
Sebastian Grant
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nsw
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Friday, October 14, 2011 - 09:52 pm, by:  Sebastian Grant (Saabg) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pretty sure the times claimed by magazines on production cars were tested on drag strips. I highly doubt they would test the cars on the street with a g-tech.

I'm pretty sure that most drag racing in Japan is done on street legal tread isn't it. I know they are pretty much street legal semi slicks but still. Are you saying they are all wasting their time?

As for not racing on the street I call bull No one needs 200+rwkw on tap when putting around town. And I've driven plenty of cars with high rate torque converters on street tyres and it really didn't make them any faster off the line. All it really did was induce wheel spin. It did decrease fuel economy and increase exhaust noise though. It is cool having boost on tap but in a daily driver I prefer being able to put around off boost myself.
Daniel Clarke
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NSW
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Saturday, October 15, 2011 - 07:30 am, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

May as well drive a Non Turbo car though ?

Times are tested @ tracks but with Zero preperation . Cold track with no traction compounds and no rubber laid down . Hence why people seem to be taking their new XR6 turbo's , HSV's , ALfa's , BMW;s to the track and being happy they are quicker than claimed .

As for Japan , i dont follow racing over there at all . I follow whats happening in the US .

I cant comment on the cars youve driven . My car is super responsive , has better fuel economy , and has always been loud , so no change there .

Obviously owning a turbo car you must understand that even with a VERY responsive setup like mine , doesnt mean your driving around on boost all the time ? In fact it uses less boost with the convertor driving around and is more responsive due to being able to use more revs .

I used to race my car alot ! ANd i think the 250+ 1/4 mile passes prove that, But due to having a family , working alot , and a mortgage i dont get to race anymore . So i enjoy my car still as a daily driver . I can always take it to the track someday and still have some fun and run whatever it can .

Anyway , this isnt about me or my car , but a question was asked and i offered my opinion and now seem to be shot at , which is why i am over forums lately .Not sure why your singling me out and my car though ?
Sebastian Grant
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soarer TT

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Saturday, October 15, 2011 - 08:00 am, by:  Sebastian Grant (Saabg) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Have another look through the thread Daniel and you'll see that you singled yourself out when I made a general comment. And you're really splitting hairs with the production car comparison but anyway.

Llayton. What have you decided on so far? If you look at daniels profile you'll find the cheapest route to get there. The only other thing I should have mentioned is you'll need to have a talk to your local tuners to find out what ecus they are happy to work with. There's no point buying an ecu then not have anyone to tune it.
Layton Barker
Tinkerer
Victoria
tt

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Saturday, October 15, 2011 - 08:20 am, by:  Layton Barker (Nos_soarertt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In bendigo there is no one but one mechanic has a dyno I can use so ill be adjusting the fcd and safc to make sure my afr is all good and my exhaust temp is not to hi, hopefully it can run 18psi and not be lean
David Ward
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Victoria
2.5 TT & 3.0 TT

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Saturday, October 15, 2011 - 02:14 pm, by:  David Ward (Djwtoyota) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Surely people can make an honest opinion on here and share their experiences without comments being taken personally and/or people making personal attacks on opinions.
Aren't we in it for the fun and to share knowledge for the good of all enthusiasts...come on fellers lighten up a little.
Daniel Clarke
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NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder

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Saturday, October 15, 2011 - 04:57 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sebastion is spot on with Tuners vs Ecu's . I know people who have spent almostv triple the cost to get 1 tuner try and work with certain software .
Sykes Ettinoffe
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Roseau
TT

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Monday, October 17, 2011 - 01:00 am, by:  Sykes Ettinoffe (Sikes) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Since you all were busy discussing the pros vs reality of tires I hope this help put that portion of the thread in perspective. Especially as this car was mentioned.
http://www.jcarblog.com/2011/10/06/tires-postpone-nissan-gt-r-testing-at-the-nurburgring/
Ross Pesina
DieHard
Vic
Soarer T, Soarer TT, Supra TT,

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Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 09:45 pm, by:  Ross Pesina (Ross79) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Layton, just get a wideband and do your own tuning. I'm using the AEM wideband (mentioned earlier in this thread) and find it great for diy tuning. I'm in castlemaine PM me if you want to drop by for a chat.
Layton Barker
Tinkerer
Victoria
tt

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Friday, October 28, 2011 - 05:49 pm, by:  Layton Barker (Nos_soarertt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Ross sounds good but I dont have much know how with getting one I did a long time ago and it didnt work would you help me out?
Ross Pesina
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Friday, October 28, 2011 - 07:32 pm, by:  Ross Pesina (Ross79) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No probs.

I bought mine from here. Arrived in about a week:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AEM-DIGITAL-WIDEBAND-UEGO-CONTROLLER-FREE-SHIP-AUS-/290497232176?_trksid= p3907.m8&_trkparms=algo%3DMW%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D12%26po%3DLCA%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D37909237224385563 45

All you need then is to get an exhaust shop to weld a bung into your exhaust so you can install the o2 sensor that comes with the kit. Make sure you get them to weld it in before the cat.

Then it's a matter of hooking up a couple wires and you're on your way.
Sebastian Grant
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nsw
soarer TT

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Friday, October 28, 2011 - 07:44 pm, by:  Sebastian Grant (Saabg) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'd always get a pro to do the tuning. It's probably the most important part of your whole setup.
Brett Harrison
DieHard
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JZZ30

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Friday, October 28, 2011 - 10:24 pm, by:  Brett Harrison (Bretto) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ross, do you know if that AEM will work with Emanage
Ultimate ? Might end up going this route.

Sebastian, the key word there is 'pro', give me the name and number of a so called pro in QLD, and I will go there, clowns would be more appropriate,
Ross Pesina
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Friday, October 28, 2011 - 10:37 pm, by:  Ross Pesina (Ross79) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Brett, I'm assuming you mean if it interfaces with it? Worth shooting them an email:

http://www.aemelectronics.com/wideband-air-fuel-systems-15/digital-wideband-air-fuel-gauge-25/

I've been doing my own tuning for about 10years. Provided you use a decent wideband like the one mentioned and keep the a/f ratios within reason, your engine should survive. I have taken my cars to tuners in the past (on dyno) and ended up doing a better job myself.

The only tuner I have had good experience with is Cihan. Did a fantastic job and didn't rip me off.
Michael Sinay
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NSW
TT

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Saturday, October 29, 2011 - 01:11 am, by:  Michael Sinay (Mikey) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cheers Ross I just bought one too :-)
Sebastian Grant
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nsw
soarer TT

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Saturday, October 29, 2011 - 06:53 am, by:  Sebastian Grant (Saabg) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Brett, get in contact with costa, he'll sort you out.

Ross, why don't you go back to cihan?

Even IF you have the ability to get it to make power and get it to cold start well ( a real balancing act with an emanage) you have to do a lot of runs at wot. Where do you plan on doing that without the popo catching you or you endangering others lives?
Brett Harrison
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JZZ30

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Saturday, October 29, 2011 - 11:57 am, by:  Brett Harrison (Bretto) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm in QLD, so not much use for me.
Sebastian Grant
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soarer TT

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Saturday, October 29, 2011 - 03:04 pm, by:  Sebastian Grant (Saabg) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Snap, for some reason I keep thinking he's based in qld. What about Neil from rush imports.

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