Saturday, October 29, 2011 - 04:22 pm, by: Ross Pesina(Ross79)
Sebastian, I'm not sure what you have against DIY tuning? I'm guessing you're one of these guys that doesn't like getting their hands dirty. Bit like my mate because it eats into his computer game playing time.
I don't know why you think I have an emanage?? I'm using a jaycar digital fuel adjuster which I built myself. It works much better than the SAFCII I'm running in my wife's soarer.
Like I said, I've been doing it for 10years with great success. I'm not suggesting everyone go out and tune their own cars. If you have a trusted tuner and the money to do it, it's definately a safer bet! Just saying it's an alternative and not extremely hard provided you're sensible. Keep your a/f ratio 12:1 or richer under boost and it should be fine. I keep mine around 11:1, not the best for power but safe ratio. I've never had issues with hot or cold starts either.
Yes Cihan does a great job and I will go back to him eventually. But what I'm doing costs me nothing and works. Also Cihan is a two hour drive (one way) for me.
I am always flat out with work. Lately I've been working 7 days a week on top of working 14 hour shifts. Squeezing in a 4 hour trip is not an option.
I live in the country and tweaking my tune to kill the boredom on the drive to and from work suits me. I don't even have to break the speed limit.
Saturday, October 29, 2011 - 07:57 pm, by: Sebastian Grant(Saabg)
Yeah Ross, that's me. I hate getting my hands dirty. That's why I bought a stock car 3 years ago and installed all my current mode myself.
IF you have the ability to tune your own car on the street then go for it mate. Just please don't do it on a street near me.
It all depends I guess on how much $ you've spent on your car already. If you're an idiot like me and you've spent more than what the cars worth on mods you might as well get the best out of your mods and get someone good to tune it for you.
Have a look at daniels mod list. Pretty basic mods and the guys in the 11s. I'm sure he'll agree that most of the credit.for that should go to.the tune.
Ross, what times have you run at the strip?
Ross Pesina DieHard Vic Soarer T, Soarer TT, Supra TT,
Saturday, October 29, 2011 - 08:25 pm, by: Ross Pesina(Ross79)
No offense Sebastian, I know nothing about you, just that you post a lot. So figured you spend more time posting than tweaking .
I like what Daniel's done. I'd like to go down a similar path although time and money are against me. My car is a bit of a dud. Turbos started passing away within a few weeks of owning it and gearbox constantly starts in 2nd and I can have a coffee while it tries to change gears. I'm not stressed as I got this car by swapping for another car that was giving me even more grief.
On the up side it has great suspension, decent exhaust system, etc. Last weekend I installed some dumps and replaced the turbos with stock. These unfortunately are leaking, I'm putting it down to the aftermarket braided oil feed/drain setup either pumping too much oil to the turbos or the drain is insufficient. I'm not greatly stressed as I enjoy working on my cars because it lets me take my mind off work.
I've only been to the strip once with this car. I managed two runs before rain stopped this fun.My best time is 14.4 with stock turbos, stock dumps, twin 2.5" to 3" exhaust, 14psi and stuffed auto. I have a replacement auto with shift kit waiting that will hopefully go in if I manage to get some time off over xmas.
I'm just going to fix this car up and sell it to fund my supra.
Saturday, October 29, 2011 - 09:00 pm, by: Brett Harrison(Bretto)
Ideally a good 'tune' will include both dyno and street time, for damn obvious reasons. Its just the cost and time that beats most people, and finding some who cares, who you trust, and who won't rip you off. Also making a car streetable, nice to drive, off boost, part throttle, good economy etc, thats where its at for me. Making a nice curve and big numbers at WOT is only a very small part.
Saturday, October 29, 2011 - 11:25 pm, by: Sebastian Grant(Saabg)
Bang on Brett, that's exactly what I'm all about. Making my car fast BUT street able. My tuner had my car for over a week to get the cold starts and some street tuning as well and I couldn't be happier with the results.
Ross, I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way but you say you have successfully tuned your car for ten years but you've only run a 14.4 which is no better than stock. Admittedly your car is having problems but I wouldn't call that successful at all. You've basically tuned your car to stock performance. Are you talking about other cars you've tuned?
Probably should have just thrown this link up earlier.
Saturday, October 29, 2011 - 11:51 pm, by: Daniel Clarke(Dieseltrain)
Tuning is an art for the pros , but thats not to say someone with a knock sensor , wideband , and dyno time for WOT and street time for Light throttle Applications & cold starts , cant do with the knowledge either .
Im running a Blitz ECU from japan with no tuning available ... Guess it does its job for me nicely
As for the thread , it was all about how to beat a 12.7 . No use throwing power at it if the tyres cant hold up , after all . you can probably run 12.7 @ 107mph if hooking up . which would only need around 215-220rwkw max to do so .
Ross Pesina DieHard Vic Soarer T, Soarer TT, Supra TT,
Sunday, October 30, 2011 - 01:50 am, by: Ross Pesina(Ross79)
Sebastian, this is my third soarer. You asked what time it's running and I told you. I could have a million kw and still run a 14 or slower if the gearbox is bad. I'm not sure if you're a bit slow or if I'm typing in another language?
I should clarify. I haven't been tuning cars for 10years straight. I started tuning my own cars closer to 12 years ago. Back then I had a friend who is a mechanic and had use of his expensive wideband equipment. Started off with weber carbs, went onto EFI with Turbos and standalone ECUs. I did try taking the car to a couple dyno places but all they did was cost me money and I always ended up with a car that ran like crap. Tuned the car myself and never looked back. After that I moved onto more stock cars and bikes.
Only recently have I gone back to tuning my own cars due to mentioned time and money constraints.
My first soarer was completely stock and ran a 14 flat. So I have a fair idea of what this should be running and I know why it's not running it.
Sunday, October 30, 2011 - 07:24 am, by: Sebastian Grant(Saabg)
Yes Ross, I am slow. My car is not though thanks to my tuner. It ran a 12.7 (what the op is after) with the gearbox slipping in 2nd and third. I "successfully" tuned my emanage to a 13.9 with no spark due to stuffed coil packs. I myself could offer to tune his car but i dont have the ability to get the desired results and im just wondering if you have the results to prove that you have the ability to get him there. The op wants to get a 12.7 not a 14.4.
Sunday, October 30, 2011 - 11:29 am, by: Layton Barker(Nos_soarertt)
in bendigo there is no one to tune my car exept for bayden ansell who is the only person with a proper dyno, and even then i will only be hiring the dyno because he does not know how to use the safc and fcd and im not even that experienced with it. hopefully i can tune it best as i can.
I cant afford to go the melb to get it done.
I used to have a r31 skyline wich i tuned myself and run a 13.2 at 108mph with only 10psi wich i thought was a very good job.
As for the help on the page its funny how on the r31 club forums i always got a answer within the first 4 post's and on here everyone argues and fights about each others opinion's i really just wanted to know what people had the same mods and more and what times they were running.
I do like ross's idea using the wideband so i will always have a idea of my afr's and a aftermarket computer will be great if i had the extra cash but ill just do with what i got and hope the best.
Well its only 12 days till the drag meet and the tune will be on the 7th so wish me luck guys.
Sunday, October 30, 2011 - 01:38 pm, by: Daniel Clarke(Dieseltrain)
The only reason i recommended some Street Radial tryes is from your mod list you have what it takes to run faster than a 12.7 ! However it would just depend on whether you can drive the package out of the hole or not to make it .
Good luck man , keep us updated with what it makes on the dyno . Im guessing 225-240rwkw @ 16psi .
Sunday, October 30, 2011 - 07:23 pm, by: Daniel Clarke(Dieseltrain)
With factory injectors an aftermarket ECU wouldnt gain much over an FCD @ 14-16psi of boost . Not worth the $1500+ for one installed and tuned .
To give you an idea on mods vs potential here is a quick run down from my own experience .
My car went 12.4 @ 109mph with stock dumps , no exh cam gear adj , running 17psi with an FCD set to 4.1V .
Only had Down pipe , crappy ceramic 3 inch cat into twin 2.5 cannons ( Still have ) , Shift kit , FMIC , EBC , 17psi boost , FCD , ET STreet Radials 255/50/16 .
Changed Dumps , Cat , went 12.18 @ 112mph hitting speed cut before finish line .
Fitted Blitz Ecu @ Adj exh cam gear , no more speed limiter , and went 11.89 @ 114.9mph with a 1.64 60' .
Has since gone 11.80 @ 116.1mph with the convertor fitted and Decat ( but 200,000km's on it compared to 170,000 when it went 89 @ 114.9 ) and a 1.60 60' with a 1.5 acheivable with more track time .
Gives you a rough idea of potential with those mods only , with decent rubber . Hope that helps you .
Sunday, October 30, 2011 - 07:57 pm, by: Sebastian Grant(Saabg)
Come on Daniel, you and everyone on here knows your car is freakish and no one should expect similar results. I swear it has a 2j bottom end and you just don't know it.
Monday, October 31, 2011 - 02:52 pm, by: Ross Pesina(Ross79)
Sebastian, I'm not here to boast (unlike yourself) about how quick my car is or what a great tuner I am.
If I want to go fast I can always jump on my hayabusa which would make your car soarer look very pedestrian. I'm sure it cost hell of a lot less than your car too.
All I'm doing is giving the opp some options, which is what the thread is about. Nowhere am I offering to tune anyone else's car. Since he's nearby I'm happy to show what I'm using and how it can help.
I like to treat forums as a place where like-minded people can share knowledge and I'm happy to help where I can. I guess the side effect are wankers like yourself that like to start a fight and treat it as a dick measuring contest.
If you have nothing worthwhile to contribute, simply don't post.
Monday, October 31, 2011 - 10:22 pm, by: Sebastian Grant(Saabg)
So far you've accused me of not liking getting my hands dirty, then you called me slow, now you're calling me a wanker and I'm the one starting fights? I'm not boasting about my cars times or my tuning ability. I'm just saying that I've achieved what the op is after so my opinion is very valid. If I was boasting about being a good tuner why would I be telling people to go to a pro? If I was that concerned with times why wouldn't I be running slicks?
Now you're bragging about your donor bike being faster than my car. That's about as relevant as me saying I'm a faster runner than you.
Just remember mate there's a difference between debating and fighting. Voicing your opinion is debating, being offensive, personal and just plain rude is fighting. Anyway, no offence meant from me, I thought I was asking valid questions which I hoped you wouldn't take the wrong way but I guess you did.
Tuesday, November 01, 2011 - 12:57 pm, by: Jeff Bedsor(Jeff_bedsor)
I originally got a Emanage tune from Cihan (he has never seen my car) and tweaked it, mine has never been on a dyno except for a power run. I have only changed the fueling map not timing so there is probably more in it. Tuning with a wideband isn't that difficult and can be done at the strip so you aren't endangering other road users. I think my results show that it can be done on a budget.
Layton Barker wrote on Sunday, October 30, 2011 - 01:42 pm:
yeah but like i said money i am short of buddy unless someone has one that i can buy fitted and tuned for under $500 lol
Layton - you can get a second hand emanage for a touch more and do it yourself.
Ross Pesina DieHard Vic Soarer T, Soarer TT, Supra TT,
Tuesday, November 01, 2011 - 03:02 pm, by: Ross Pesina(Ross79)
Sebastian, read your posts again, and then read them a few more times.
You started off by saying tuning the car yourself is a bad idea. Then that I'm likely to kill someone by tuning on the street. Then you admitted to doing the same yourself.
You asked what time I ran then retaliate by saying I'm a crap tuner because it should be much faster despite mechanical issues. Then you go on to say how quick you went with your own tune making out that I'm claiming to be some pro tuner? I'm done with this pointless arguement.
As Jeff said. Emanage is a great value for money alternative. I'll eventually sell the SAFCII and SITC in my wife's soarer and go an emanage. Come to think of it, I'll probably go an emanage in the supra too.
James, I accept that fact, hopefully I can remedy the situation
Tuesday, November 01, 2011 - 08:17 pm, by: Sebastian Grant(Saabg)
Ross, I never said that you're crap tuner. I asked you a simple question and you and your paranoia decided to take it the wrong way.
I tuned my car by using rob rojo's as a base map, using some Jeff's screen shots as reference then made my own and got it to run well. Then I took my car too eastern creek armed with my laptop and my wide band wired into my emanage. It ran a 14.5 from memory and I tuned it over the 8 runs to a 13.9 but I couldn't progress any further because my coil packs were stuffed. I did not tune it on the street like you said so please stop making things up and stop being so paranoid. I'm not having a go at you.
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, after all . you can probably run 12.7 @ 107mph if hooking up . which would only need around 215-220rwkw max to do so .
