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James Tims
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Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 10:47 am, by:  James Tims (Timzy) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi guys,

It's been asked thousands of times but thought I'd ask again especially after dyno day yesterday. I want to know what you guys think is the best turbo and housing for the 1jz to get a figure between 300-350 rwkw with as minimal lag as possible since I'll be coming from the twins. Ryan yesterday managed to pull 305 rwkw at 25 psi with this one (
http://www.ebay.com/itm/T4-Flange-GT35-TURBO-CHARGER-A-R-70-A-R-68-WATER-V-BAND-clamp-TURBOCHARGER-/ 260900815310?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cbee681ce&vxp=mtr) however the lag would kill me!!! Was looking at a GT3582r but I'm still unsure about the whole setup etc. Any suggestions would be great and yes I'm on a budget would probably buy an ebay single haha
Daniel Clarke
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Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 11:54 am, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hks3037 or gt3076r will get there . 0.8 rear on both . Good manifold , some small cams 256 just to breathe better than stock up top. Or 264 if your heaps keen .

Bear in mind your factory auto will die very quickly .
James Tims
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Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 12:15 pm, by:  James Tims (Timzy) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes too right you are, would need a manual conversion and those things can add up very quickly..might just call it quits at high flow steel wheel and anything more I'll just buy a supra next year sometime.
Tai Johnsen
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Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 01:23 pm, by:  Tai Johnsen (Privatejohnsen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am after the same figure and did a fair bit of research plotting graphs etc..

In my opinion the GTX3576 would be the best bet at the moment.

The 3076 seems to run out of puff just shy of 300rwkw and you have to run big boost because you are going off the island..

I have been hanging out for the EFR 7670 twin scroll because the plots seem perfect for the 1JZ, but they seem to be "vapor ware" so far..
Tai Johnsen
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Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 01:27 pm, by:  Tai Johnsen (Privatejohnsen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


James Tims wrote on Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 10:47 am:

yes I'm on a budget would probably buy an ebay single haha




I wouldn't waste your money then.. To do it properly is not cheap... Best to go the high flow steel twins if you want to save dollars..
Daniel Clarke
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Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 02:06 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Seen 307rwkw @ 25 psi on a 3076r with twin exhaust inc 4 mufflers .....

They can do it . Nothing wrong with 25psi ... Tuning is important and in fact , your better off using all of a turbo , not chocking on a t04z or gt42r and running 12psi , if that makes sense .
Tai Johnsen
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Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 02:58 pm, by:  Tai Johnsen (Privatejohnsen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

25 is pretty high..
Aaron Casey
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Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 03:57 pm, by:  Aaron Casey (Blownminiturbo) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

25 is pretty easy with 1/2j with good condition motor and right setup. i want mine tuned to 20psi for easy reliability but all the tuners keep trying to get me to run minimum 28psi as they have many running that all day everyday for years.. (im struggling for traction untuned 16psi in 4th with semi slicks... :-))
Daniel Clarke
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Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 07:10 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Boost is never an issue though ... Why are people scared of running boost ???

Life begins at 40 psi people's . Stop being pussies and get a turbo that flows the power and boost it right ! Lol it's that easy .

Hell if I made more power at 25 psi now I would be running it ;)
Blake Gloyn
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Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 07:31 pm, by:  Blake Gloyn (Blakenz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the 1jz has short strong rods, so can handle high boost if tuned well.
in japan, they boost unopened 1jzs with camshafts and big single turbos to 29 psi(100 plus octane fuel) and run 10.9 secs at 130mph!
Jay Asghari
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Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 08:04 pm, by:  Jay Asghari (8pack) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's right Tai, the EFR range is a great range to look at and purchase if keen. However as said dollars can add up quickly if looking to convert to the r154.

The ebay kits are, in the end, a cheaper compromise. If you want reliable hp, there are no shortcuts.
Better yet, get a manual soarer - they are around, and cheaper, than they have ever been.
Start your mods from there or move them across to the r154 tt's.
Ali Saeed
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Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 09:51 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EFR is impossible to get hold off.

Agree with Daniel, its not how much boost you are running but how much power/torque you are making
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Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 09:56 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

not a soarer but 900hp(US) on a stock block 1jz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnQ6M-_9XNI&feature=youtu.be
Daniel Clarke
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Monday, September 10, 2012 - 08:05 am, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Shane's Cressida ran a gt42r from memory and a 50 shot of gas for over 4 years racing and street duties ...

Running over 130mph making over 600rwhp in a full weight roll caged street car with a mv auto box , stock 1jz engine which was sold with 152,000km on it and had over 170psi in all 6 cylinders .

Boost is not the enemy , tuning is :-)Nuff said really.

You get. Turbo that spools early with the headroom for power using its boost , or fit a bug laggy MOFO and use 13psi of its laggy unusable pOwerband ....
Ali Saeed
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Monday, September 10, 2012 - 12:59 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am not all that much of on expert on turbos/boost etc, but I have read that low boost on a gt35 will be less laggy than high boost on a gt30? Can someone explain/debunk this?
Daniel Clarke
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Monday, September 10, 2012 - 02:58 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cant see how when the 30 will spool earlier , make peak boost earlier therefore make its peak torque earlier .

I'm not saying push 35psi through something limited to 20psi . But 25psi isn't going to take much longer to achieve Than 15-18 .

Alternative IMO is a high flowed ct20 from the vvti ... Hypergear have made 280rwkw from one of these and I'm sure would be responsive and boost early .

Also you want a nice fat usable torque curve ... Anyone can make 300rwkw on a dyno peak power , but down the quarter I've left a few behind due to a usable tractable powerband .

Look at Jeffs car . 16-17psi and 270rwkw . 22psi will push 300 and is a HELL fun to drive ! Such a broad powerband .
Blake Gloyn
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Monday, September 10, 2012 - 05:29 pm, by:  Blake Gloyn (Blakenz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

forget the gt35 if you have an auto trans 2.5 litre.
the gt30 with .8 rear housing is the business. Ben burgess did 320rwkw at 24 psi, and 11.4 sec. Spooled faster than stock twins.
Sebastian Grant
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Monday, September 10, 2012 - 05:50 pm, by:  Sebastian Grant (Saabg) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We are still yet to see what a gtx3576r would do. If what Garrett say is true it will be as responsive as a gt3076r but push ~10% more air flow. That should yield the 350rwkw the op is after.
Blake Gloyn
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Monday, September 10, 2012 - 07:15 pm, by:  Blake Gloyn (Blakenz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Agreed Sebastion. i was referring to the GT35(82)
Daniel Clarke
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Monday, September 10, 2012 - 07:49 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you can find one Sebastian .

Most don't know but Ben did cams and a " high flow " single exhaust before he parted out his car ...

Bc 264 cams .... Let's just say 256rwkw @ 13 Psi was made !

Before cams , 13psi made 225rwkw ....

His exhaust before had 1 cat and 4 mufflers under it and was restrictive once boosted .

Tuner was confident in making close to 340 after the cams and exhaust mods .
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Monday, September 10, 2012 - 07:56 pm, by:  Chris Milner (Milnuts) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can run as much boost as you like with a prescion turbo ;)
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Monday, September 10, 2012 - 09:15 pm, by:  Sebastian Grant (Saabg) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If that's true Daniel think how much you can get out of a gtx3576r. They're pretty easy to find online.
Daniel Clarke
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Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - 05:55 am, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah just looked , maybe one day .
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Friday, September 21, 2012 - 06:37 pm, by:  Johnny Brasche (Johnnyb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

320kw From a gt30 .82 starting to give me second thoughts on my build now lol

Hey Daniel you remember what size injectors he was running
Daniel Clarke
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Friday, September 21, 2012 - 07:22 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yep 650 sard units . Pump 100 ( the v power racing ) no longer avail , plus nulon octane booster .

No reason why e85 with 800 cc units couldn't see 340-350rwkw .

Looking at the gtx3076 rated at 600+hp , no reason why that maxed out couldn't see 400+ at the tyres ? easy on pump 98 ...

Heck even the gtx3071 is rated at 560hp ..... Surely that's gotta crack over 380-400rwhp ?

I dunno

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