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James Tims
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Sunday, September 30, 2012 - 11:35 am, by:  James Tims (Timzy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi guys,
A week ago I managed to put the car batt into reverse polarity a stupid mistake for not thinking and now its costing me. Basically I have blown the 120 amp fuse which I replaced and performed the fuel pump bypass with another ecu. It cranks but can't stay put and just dies out but if I hold the key to crank position it fires up sounding very rough, this is with the bypass in place but stops as soon as I let go of the key. Any suggestions, is my fuel ecu and fuel pump knackered??
James Tims
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Sunday, September 30, 2012 - 11:52 am, by:  James Tims (Timzy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is a video link with the fuel pump bypass ecu in place. The first time is with the key turned normally with nothing and the second time is with the key held onto crank position with my foot on the pedal! Could it be a sign that its not keeping spark??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kj268xwlAQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Tai Johnsen
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Sunday, September 30, 2012 - 12:03 pm, by:  Tai Johnsen (Privatejohnsen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Video is private..
James Tims
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Sunday, September 30, 2012 - 12:16 pm, by:  James Tims (Timzy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry mate just fixed then :-)
James Tims
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Sunday, September 30, 2012 - 01:17 pm, by:  James Tims (Timzy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Also seems to be dumping a small amount of oil from when I tried starting it.
Adrian McGuire
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Sunday, September 30, 2012 - 01:20 pm, by:  Adrian McGuire (Adro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You might have damaged your ecu. Open it up and look for obvious burn marks inside it. Also did you check all other fuses? Inside the car and the engine bay ?
James Tims
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Sunday, September 30, 2012 - 01:29 pm, by:  James Tims (Timzy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah I did, checked all of the engine bay fuses and the one's inside. I'm thinking I've stuffed up the fuel pump ecu or the fuel pump itself seeing as when I plugged in a completely different ecu it still has the same issues.
Adrian McGuire
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Sunday, September 30, 2012 - 01:35 pm, by:  Adrian McGuire (Adro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you fried the fp ecu then by doing the bypass the car will run with no issues. Possibly the fp is toasted.
James Tims
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Sunday, September 30, 2012 - 01:43 pm, by:  James Tims (Timzy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Out of curiosity, how would it fry the fuel pump when i put it into reverse polarity. It's looking more and more like that mate, not pumping enough fuel to the engine which causes it to not even properly start.
Adrian McGuire
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Sunday, September 30, 2012 - 01:56 pm, by:  Adrian McGuire (Adro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you push power through the wrong way of most electrical items they don't like it. Something still doesn't sound right though get a multiple meter and check the power input to the fp ecu wiring voltage with the ignition on.
James Tims
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Sunday, September 30, 2012 - 03:19 pm, by:  James Tims (Timzy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's now on route to my good friend (because he saves my soarer time and time again) my mechanic so once I get the verdict from him I'll post up the results. May as well upgrade the injectors and fuel pump while it's there!!! Still love the soarer but I need another car for a daily driver.
James Tims
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Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 06:56 pm, by:  James Tims (Timzy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Okay the engine now runs fine thanks to a replacement fuel pump but the ABS light is on display and the Sunroof and windows do not open, any suggestions??
Shane Haverkamp
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Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 07:49 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

check the rest of the fuses in the cabin, i think there's a bunch in the drivers foot well
James Tims
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Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 10:04 pm, by:  James Tims (Timzy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm starting to think it might be related to earthing if all of the fuses are working??? Like I may have earthed the terminal wrong on the battery or something along those lines. Anyway it's in my mechanics hands at the moment, everything else is running smoothly but just want those 2 problems fixed :-(
James Tims
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Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 10:07 pm, by:  James Tims (Timzy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Would anybody know if the TT soarer's have a circuit breaker???
Shane Haverkamp
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Friday, October 12, 2012 - 03:20 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

a fuse is the circuit breaker??

bad circuit cause's to much voltage (or amps or ohms i dont really know) which causes resistance in the wires etc. this resistance causes heat, heat causes the fuse to melt and the circuit is broken.

i dont think you'll find any car has a home style "circuit breaker" aka a switchable one.


did you manage to check all the fuses, even the ones inside the car?
Adrian McGuire
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Friday, October 12, 2012 - 04:28 pm, by:  Adrian McGuire (Adro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

last time i saw someone do this he ended up replacing every fuse in the foot panel before stuff started working again. some fuses looked fine but were toasted when he tested them.
James Tims
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Friday, October 12, 2012 - 09:22 pm, by:  James Tims (Timzy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

After doing tons of research they do have a circuit breaker that's 30 AMPS, the fuses have been checked properly and the circuit breaker is located in the passenger side footwell in a junction box behind the harness. It's on the sc 300's, LS 400's and the Z20's so no doubt it's on the JZZ30 and the UZZ31 soarer's. That is the only thing failing the windows, sunroof and the abs light which may be a sensor however the windows work when powered off the circuit individually when the door trim is opened which means that something is stopping the power from going to the fuse. It's got to be a circuit breaker I can't see it any other way. Would bad earthing cause the ABS light to display???
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Saturday, October 13, 2012 - 12:09 am, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

circuit breakers work on heat,break (short) and close,reconnect when cool. But i have never seen one on Soarers
James Tims
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Sunday, October 14, 2012 - 04:27 pm, by:  James Tims (Timzy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Fair enough Dave, the circuit breakers I'm referring to may very well be the fuses, just getting conflicting information from others forums.

Anyway so far so good turns out it must have been a fuse because now the passenger side window operates as does the sunroof but not the drivers side window, but here's the funny thing, the drivers side lock button works and when i wind the window down on the passenger side door it works but when i do that and press the up on the drivers side window it stops it from working but still can't make it wind up or down. So maybe a loose wire perhaps??

Also mirrors do not work on that switch!!!

ABS light has disappeared :-)
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Monday, October 15, 2012 - 10:15 am, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

have a look at the wires that come through the body and into the door.
James Tims
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Monday, October 15, 2012 - 09:31 pm, by:  James Tims (Timzy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dave are you referring to the wires that go into the main switch on the drivers side?? Could it be the those individual modules themselves are just stuffed up?
Matt Newman
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Monday, October 15, 2012 - 09:42 pm, by:  Matt Newman (Soarersrock) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i think Dave is talking about this fix

http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/51/7623.html?1124040317
James Tims
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Monday, October 15, 2012 - 10:04 pm, by:  James Tims (Timzy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Matt, I'll try my best, althogh it will probably end up back at the soarer mechanics :-)
Matt Newman
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Tuesday, October 16, 2012 - 12:01 am, by:  Matt Newman (Soarersrock) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

its not very hard mate but its even simpler if you have a multi metre that does continuity testing. as you unplug both ends of the loom and test one wire at a time till you find the one that fails and then you can find the break.
James Tims
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Tuesday, October 16, 2012 - 10:36 am, by:  James Tims (Timzy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Legend Matt I'll test it out tonight :-) will keep you posted.
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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 - 03:00 pm, by:  Tom Richards (Tomr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

push the rubber boot off the loom , spread the wires and look for broken one.
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Thursday, October 18, 2012 - 09:04 pm, by:  James Tims (Timzy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

All problems solved, turned out to be fuses but unfortunately faulty testing equipment. So the overall issues were a burnt out fuel pump and a lot of burnt out fuses, this is a result of reverse polarity but now everything is working as it should and I now have a walbro fuel pump and 440 injectors :-) Thanks for your help everyone.

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